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Old 01-07-2007, 10:01 PM   #31
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I am not against personal responsibility, but there are such things as taking it to extremes. Principles can be taken too far. Connections can be drawn too far.
I agree.
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And isn't it all a bit selective? Motor vehicle exhaust, now... that's not going away anytime soon. But motorists aren't attacked because almost everybody is one, at some stage. And yes, because often there is little choice.

Yes but if your car can't pass inspection because it emits above the accepted levels then you get fined.
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Old 01-07-2007, 10:16 PM   #32
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So...I came to this thread looking to see if there were libertarians and eager to read some philosophy anyone had to offer.

But...I'm seeing a discussion about smoking in public? I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm just confused...or maybe the metaphor just went over my head. So...who besides the original poster and Kieran McConville are L/libertarians?

And for the record, I like rum filled cigars. And I flip the bird when I smoke them.
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Old 01-07-2007, 10:27 PM   #33
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libertarians?

*not many it seems

Why not try a thread...

Any Fascists Here?

It seems more than a few seem hell bent on eliminating anything banned that they pronounce not for the public good.


All together now...."We are the world....we are the children...."
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So...I came to this thread looking to see if there were libertarians and eager to read some philosophy anyone had to offer.

But...I'm seeing a discussion about smoking in public? I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm just confused...or maybe the metaphor just went over my head. So...who besides the original poster and Kieran McConville are L/libertarians?

And for the record, I like rum filled cigars. And I flip the bird when I smoke them.
I'm not really a libertarian, I just play one on TV.
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Old 01-07-2007, 10:32 PM   #35
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So is libertarianism just about shedding responsibility?
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"So is libertarianism just about shedding responsibility?"


BonoVoxSupastar,

Why do you ask that question?
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It seems more than a few seem hell bent on eliminating anything banned that they pronounce not for the public good.

Just wanted to quote this remarkable sentence. Let's look at it, ponder.

Hmm.

Fascist, you say? That's funny. And by funny, I mean idiotic.
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"So is libertarianism just about shedding responsibility?"


BonoVoxSupastar,

Why do you ask that question?
Because that's all I see in your posts.
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Frank Sinatra died at what age?

80? or something?

smoked unfiltered Camels


We are going to die, but Im just saying it would be nice if we could live in freedom and liberty.
My parents smoked filtered Merits (or Kools, depending on the parent), and as a result I have to take about $280 worth of prescription drugs a month to keep my migraines (triggered by sinus headaches) down so I can hold a job.
My brother has to take medication every day for the rest of his life to keep him from dying of an asthma attack.

now that's freedom and liberty
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Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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The law has moved to ban smoking even in some of those venues. Here, no smoking in bars, pubs, clubs, restaurants, sports arenas, etc.

The way it should be. Second hand smoke is a health issue. Your freedom ends where public peril begins.
Private property should make it the owners call - of course if you want to get the government to modify behaviour then this argument to protect the public from entering places where people elect to smoke is fine.

You don't smoke, thats great, but taking the step to force other people not to smoke and have the freedom to make the stupid choice out of what I see as situations involving consenting adults (at bars and clubs there aren't really kiddies running about) is wrong; liberty isn't about clean air and healthy lungs it is freedom of action and thought regardless of personal harm; if I weigh the risk of sitting in a bar with smokers and choose to stay around thats liberty - if I choose to walk away then thats liberty but if I start getting the government to step in and stop them smoking with force then that is wrong, it's anti-choice.

If there is a big demand for non-smoking areas and clubs then venues will start designating smoking areas and as society puts smoking down furthur and furthur then these will have a lot of appeal.

I don't smoke, I hang around smokers - I am electing to do both.
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Private property should make it the owners call - of course if you want to get the government to modify behaviour then this argument to protect the public from entering places where people elect to smoke is fine.
So for the employees who are at risk for lung diseases and other health issues due to the freedom-loving smokers it's "fuck 'em, let them get another job"?
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Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Hilarious!

I'm gonna keep this one around next time we have an abortion debate or a gay marriage debate.
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Hilarious!

I'm gonna keep this one around next time we have an abortion debate or a gay marriage debate. [/B][/QUOTE]

Or helmet law thread.
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