Another Slam Dunk for Bush!

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The United Nations Security Council today passed the US authored resolution 1511 on Iraq today, by a vote of 15-0. Despite France, Germany, and Russia having many difficulties in the days before, they went ahead and voted for the resolution. Even Syria that was expected to abstain or vote against the resolution, voted for the resolution.

The resolution encourages countries to offer more troops for Iraq and more money to rebuild the country and addresses the transfer of sovereignty from the U.S.-led coalition to Iraq.
 
THE SECURITY COUNCIL,
REAFFIRMING its previous resolutions on Iraq, including resolution 1483 (2003) of 22 May 2003 and 1500 (2003) of 14 August 2003, and on threats to peace and security caused by terrorist acts, including resolution 1373 (2001) of 28 September 2001, and other relevant resolutions,
UNDERSCORING that the sovereignty of Iraq resides in the State of Iraq, reaffirming the right of the Iraqi people freely to determine their own political future and control their own natural resources, REITERATING its resolve that the day when Iraqis govern themselves must come quickly, and RECOGNIZING the importance of international support, particularly that of countries in the region, Iraq's neighbors, and regional organizations, in taking forward this process expeditiously,
RECOGNIZING that international support for restoration of conditions of stability and security is essential to the well-being of the people of Iraq as well as to the ability of all concerned to carry out their work on behalf of the people of Iraq, and welcoming Member State contributions in this regard under resolution 1483 (2003 ),
WELCOMING the decision of the Governing Council of Iraq to form a preparatory constitutional committee to prepare for a constitutional conference that will draft a constitution to embody the aspirations of the Iraqi people, and URGING it to complete this process quickly,
AFFIRMING that the terrorist bombings of the Embassy of Jordan on 7 August 2003, of the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad on 19 August 2003, of the Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf on 29 August 2003, and of the Embassy of Turkey on 14 October 2003, and the murder of a Spanish diplomat on 9 October 2003 are attacks on the people of Iraq, the United Nations, and the international community, and DEPLORING the assassination of Dr. Akila al-Hashimi, who died on 25 September 2003, as an attack directed against the future of Iraq,
In that context, RECALLING and REAFFIRMING the statement of its President of 20 August 2003 (S/PRST /2003/13) and resolution 1502 (2003) of 26 August 2003,
DETERMINING that the situation in Iraq, although improved, continues to constitute a threat to international peace and security,
ACTING UNDER CHAPTER VII OF THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS,
1. REAFFIRMS the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, and UNDERSCORES, in that context, the temporary nature of the exercise by the Coalition Provisional Authority (Authority) of the specific responsibilities, authorities, and obligations under applicable international law recognized and set forth in resolution 1483 (2003), which will cease when an internationally recognized, representative government established by the people of Iraq Is sworn in and assumes the responsibilities of the Authority, inter alia through steps envisaged in paragraphs four through seven and ten below;
2. WELCOMES the positive response of the international community, in fora such as the Arab League, the Organization of the Islamic Conference, the United Nations General Assembly, and the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, to the establishment of the broadly representative Governing Council as an important step towards an internationally recognized, representative government;
3. SUPPORTS the Governing Council's efforts to mobilize the people of Iraq, including by the appointment of a cabinet of ministers and a preparatory constitutional committee to lead a process in which the Iraqi people will progressively take control of their own affairs; 4. DETERMINES that the Governing Council and its ministers are the principal bodies of the Iraqi interim administration, which, without prejudice to its further evolution, embodies the sovereignty of the State of Iraq during the transitional period until an internationally recognized, representative government is established and assumes the responsibilities of the Authority;
5. AFFIRMS that the administration of Iraq will be progressively undertaken by the evolving structures of the Iraqi interim administration;
6. CALLS UPON the Authority, in this context, to return governing responsibilities and authorities to the people of Iraq as soon as practicable and requests the Authority, in cooperation as appropriate with the Governing Council and the Secretary-General, to report to the Council on the progress being made;
7. INVITES the Governing Council to provide to the Security Council, for its review, no later than 15 December 2003, in cooperation with the Authority and, as circumstances permit, the Special Representative of the Secretary-General, a timetable and a program for the drafting of a new constitution for Iraq and for the holding of democratic elections under that constitution;
8. RESOLVES that the United Nations, acting through the Secretary-General, his Special Representative, and the United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq, should strengthen its vital role in Iraq, including by providing humanitarian relief, promoting the economic reconstruction of and conditions for sustainable development in Iraq, and advancing efforts to restore and establish national and local institutions for representative government:
9. REQUESTS that, as circumstances permit, the Secretary-General pursue the course of action outlined in paragraphs 98 and 99 of the report of the Secretary-General of 17 July 2003 (S/2003/715);
10. TAKES NOTE of the intention of the Governing Council to hold a constitutional conference and, recognizing that the convening of the conference will be a milestone in the movement to the full exercise of sovereignty, calls for its preparation through national dialogue and consensus-building as soon as practicable and requests the Special Representative of the Secretary-General, at the time of the convening of the conference, or, as circumstances permit, to lend the unique expertise of the United Nations to the Iraqi people in this process of political transition, including the establishment of electoral processes;
11. REQUESTS the Secretary-General to ensure that the resources of the United Nations and associated organizations are available, if requested by the Iraqi Governing Council and, as circumstances permit, to assist in furtherance of the program provided by the Governing Council in paragraph 7 above. and encourages other organizations with expertise in this area to support the Iraqi Governing Council, if requested;
12. REQUESTS the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on his responsibilities under this resolution and the development and implementation of a timetable and program under paragraph 7 above;
13. DETERMINES that the provision of security and stability is essential to the successful completion of the political process as outlined in paragraph 7 above and to the ability of the United Nations to contribute effectively to that process and the implementation of resolution 1483 (2003), and AUTHORIZES a multinational force under unified command to take all necessary measures to contribute to the maintenance of security and stability in Iraq, including for the purpose of ensuring necessary conditions for the implementation of the timetable and program as well as to contribute to the security of the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq, the Governing Council of Iraq and other institutions of the Iraqi interim administration, and key humanitarian and economic infrastructure;
14. URGES Member States to contribute assistance under this United Nations mandate, including military forces, to the multinational force referred to in paragraph 13 above;
15. DECIDES that the Council shall review the requirements and mission of the multinational force referred to in paragraph 13 above not later than one year from the date of this resolution, and that in any case the mandate of the force shall expire upon the completion of the political process as described in paragraphs 4 through 7 and 10 above, and EXPRESSES readiness to consider on that occasion any future need for the continuation of the multinational force, taking into account the views of an internationally recognized, representative government of Iraq;
16. EMPHASIZES the importance of establishing effective Iraqi police and security forces in maintaining law, order, and security and combating terrorism consistent with paragraph 4 of resolution 1483 (2003), and calls upon Member States and international and regional organizations to contribute to the training and equipping of Iraqi police and security forces;
17. EXPRESSES deep sympathy and condolences for the personal losses suffered by the Iraqi people and by the United Nations and the families of those United Nations personnel and other innocent victims who were killed or injured in these tragic attacks;
18. UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNS the terrorist bombings of the Embassy of Jordan on 7 August 2003, of the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad on 19 August 2003, and of the Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf on 29 August 2003, and of the Embassy of Turkey on 14 October 2003, the murder of a Spanish diplomat on 9 October 2003, and the assassination of Dr. Akila al-Hashimi, who died on 25 September 2003, and EMPHASIZES that those responsible must be brought to justice;
19. CALLS UPON Member States to prevent the transit of terrorists to Iraq, arms for terrorists, and financing that would support terrorists, and emphasizes the importance of strengthening the cooperation of the countries of the region, particularly neighbors of Iraq, in this regard;
20. APPEALS to Member States and the international financial institutions to strengthen their efforts to assist the people of Iraq in the reconstruction and development of their economy, and urges those institutions to take immediate steps to provide their full range of loans and other financial assistance to Iraq, working with the Governing Council and appropriate Iraqi ministries;
21. URGES Member States and international and regional organizations to support the Iraq reconstruction effort initiated at the 24 June 2003 United Nations Technical Consultations, including through substantial pledges at the 23-24 October 2003 International Donors Conference in Madrid;
22. CALLS UPON Member States and concerned organizations to help meet the needs of the Iraqi people by providing resources necessary for the rehabilitation and reconstruction of Iraq's economic infrastructure;
23. EMPHASIZES that the International Advisory and Monitoring Board (IAMB) referred to in paragraph 12 of resolution 1483 (2003) should be established as a priority, and reiterates that the Development Fund for Iraq shall be used in a transparent manner as set out in paragraph 14 of resolution 1483 (2003);
24. REMINDS all Member States of their obligations under paragraphs 19 and 23 of resolution 1483 (2003) in particular the obligation to immediately cause the transfer of funds, other financial assets and economic resources to the Development Fund for Iraq for the benefit of the Iraqi people;
25. REQUESTS that the United States, on behalf of the multinational force as outlined in paragraph 13 above, report to the Security Council on the efforts and progress of this force as appropriate and not less than every six months;
26. DECIDES to remain seized of the matter.
 
I do not have any links, but off the top of my head;
* All UN countries provide financial aid
* More UN countries send troops under US' command
* Within two (?) months, a schedule has to be presented for a new Iragi constitution and elections.

While I still hate :)sexywink:) Bush and most of his ideas, I'm very glad to see that Germany, France and Russia have taken the high road and realized a bad plan is better than no plan at all. :up:
 
nbcrusader said:
Interesting in light of our recent "how much the world hates GWB" comments....

I don't think why it passed has much to do with Bush as much as it does to help the people of Iraq get out of the mess they're in. But it didn't go without troubles.


U.S. Wins Backing for Iraq Policies But Little Cash
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By Evelyn Leopold and Irwin Arieff

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The U.N. Security Council unanimously adopted a resolution on Thursday charting a future for Iraq (news - web sites), a diplomatic victory for the United States, which sought backing for its occupation.



With President Bush (news - web sites) under pressure over the growing cost of the Iraqi operation in U.S. lives and money, the resolution asks nations to aid the reconstruction of the country with troops and cash.


And it calls on Iraqi leaders to draw up a plan for a new constitution and elections by Dec. 15.


The unanimous vote was uncertain until the last minute. In a surprising shift, France, Russia, China, Germany, who had opposed the war in Iraq, gave their support. Syria, the only Arab member on the council, then came on board.


But pledges of aid were slow in coming, particularly among wealthy European nations. At a summit in Brussels, European leaders declined further aid after setting a modest $232 million contribution from EU coffers for 2003-2004.


And Pakistan, considered a prime candidate for sending soldiers, declined to do so, saying the new multinational force created under the resolution was not distinct enough from occupation troops.


"Under these circumstances Pakistan will not be able to contribute troops for the multinational force in Iraq," its U.N. ambassador, Munir Akram, told the Security Council.


The resolution, which went through five revisions since August, almost failed to the get the minimum nine votes required for adoption. France, Germany and Russia proposed joint amendments, the main one asking for a timeline to end the occupation, which was rejected by Washington.


After intense negotiations led by Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) this week, the United States first weaned China away from Russia, which then prevailed on Russia to change its stand, diplomats said. Moscow pressured Germany after which France also gave its support, the envoys said.


Even if the Bush administration had received nine votes for adoption, a narrow victory would have been considered a political failure in recruiting support for U.S. policies.


"We were looking for more than passage. We were looking for a solid statement from the entire international community and all of the members of the Security Council if possible," Powell said in Washington after the vote.


Russia, Germany and France said they backed the resolution for the sake of unity and stability in Iraq but regretted some of their key amendments had been rejected, especially setting a timetable for the end of the occupation.


In a joint statement, the three nations said the resolution should have gone further in expanding the political role of the United Nations (news - web sites) and accelerating the transfer of power to Iraq.


"In that context, the conditions are not created for us to envisage any military commitment and no further financial contributions beyond our present engagement." they said.


In Brussels, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, after conferring by telephone with French President Jacques Chirac and Putin, announced support of the three countries early on Thursday. "We agreed that the resolution is really an important step in the right direction," he said.


The resolution creates a U.N.-authorized multinational force in Iraq under U.S. leadership in an effort to recruit troops from nations wary of serving the occupation.


The measure also calls on the 25-member Iraqi Governing Council to produce by Dec. 15 a timetable for drafting a constitution and holding elections, a process which could take several years. But it gives no date for a transfer of power.





U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) nearly torpedoed the effort two weeks ago when he agreed with France and Germany in urging the United States to shift power within a few months to a provisional government.

The United States refused but came back with new concessions this week. Annan telephoned world leaders pleading for unity on the resolution but said he would not send staff back to Iraq until safety conditions permitted following the Aug. 19 bombing of U.N. offices in Baghdad that cost the lives of 22 people.

Adoption of the resolution was a victory for Powell, who first convinced hard-liners in the administration to return to the United Nations and last week was ready to give up on the resolution rather than face a divided council.
 
Well, rumour has it that the Russians have held some 'lucrative' talks with the Americans at Camp David. Does anybody else smell oil? :hmm:
 
personally I would have titled this thread
"Another Slam Dunk for the US"


I don't think the way the world regards the US is the same as the way it regard Bush (+ his administration)
 
Salome said:
personally I would have titled this thread
"Another Slam Dunk for the US"


I don't think the way the world regards the US is the same as the way it regard Bush (+ his administration)

I agree. I don't even think it was really a slam dunk.

But whatever it takes to make their man feel good.
 
A better subject title would be
World Prevents Bush From Losing Face!

or

Pyrrhus Victory For Bush!

or...
Well, you get it I think. :hmm:

C ya!

Marty
 
I don't know if I'd quite call this a "slam-dunk" for Bush. It's good for Iraq. People don't want to the Iraqis to keep suffering.
 
Angela Harlem said:
I'm with you Verte. This is about Iraq, not W.

Some of the other leaders aren't liking certain aspects of Bush's plan for Iraq. This includes the whole sovereignty issue and the $$ offer isn't great. But no one has a quibble with the ordinary people of Iraq.
 
Bush could have had a slam dunk a long time ago, before the war, if he wasn't such an asshole. Now he comes groveling back with his tail between his legs, trying to make nice with the people he pissed off 6-7 months ago. Most importantly because he knows if he doesn't get something done internationally in Iraq his chances of re-election get even slimmer. He's listening to what people are complaining about and he's conceding in order to win popular opinion.

Where's the "Bring it on" now tough guy?
 
STING2 said:
The United Nations Security Council today passed the US authored resolution 1511 on Iraq today, by a vote of 15-0. Despite France, Germany, and Russia having many difficulties in the days before, they went ahead and voted for the resolution. Even Syria that was expected to abstain or vote against the resolution, voted for the resolution.

The resolution encourages countries to offer more troops for Iraq and more money to rebuild the country and addresses the transfer of sovereignty from the U.S.-led coalition to Iraq.
What the fuck is this for a bullshit,...the UN decide to help the Iraq people and you see it as victory for Bush ?????
 
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Rono said:
What the fuck is this for a bullshit,...the UN decide to help the Iraq people and you see it as victory for Bush ?????


A resolution pushed by the Bush administration against the opposition of some do-nothing countries. This has been going on for some time.
 
I had this in mind,.....

Senate defies Bush on Iraq aid


Bush supporters downplayed the vote
The US Senate has defied President George W Bush by voting to convert half of a $20bn aid package to rebuild Iraq into a loan.

The Republican-run chamber voted 51-47 for the proposal to make $10bn a loan - to be converted to a grant if other countries agree to waive debts owed to them from the former regime.

The Bush administration argued against the idea saying loans would worsen Iraq's foreign debt and further Arab suspicious about US intentions in the country.

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So, the next 10 bn would be paid back in oil i guess,...Bush take a dump alright.
 
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nbcrusader said:



A resolution pushed by the Bush administration against the opposition of some do-nothing countries. This has been going on for some time.
Bush is a masterpusher,...
 
The new U.N. resolution will do little. As Reuters reported: "In a joint statement, France, Russia and Germany, said the resolution should have gone further in expanding the political role of the United Nations and accelerating the transfer of power to Iraq. 'In that context, the conditions are not created for us to envisage any military commitment and no further financial contributions beyond our present engagement.' they said. . . . Pakistan, considered a prime candidate for sending soldiers, declined to do so, saying the new multinational force created under the resolution was not distinct enough from occupation troops." (Reuters, 10/17/2003
 
The simple fact is, France, Germany, and Russia have no real desire to aid in the reconstruction in Iraq under any conditions. They have an obvious opportunity to help the Iraqi people and their not going to in any substantial way. Japan on the other hand has now increased its funding of reconstruction by 50% just for this year to 1.5 Billion.
 
Senate defies Bush on Iraq aid


Bush supporters downplayed the vote
The US Senate has defied President George W Bush by voting to convert half of a $20bn aid package to rebuild Iraq into a loan.

The Republican-run chamber voted 51-47 for the proposal to make $10bn a loan - to be converted to a grant if other countries agree to waive debts owed to them from the former regime.

The Bush administration argued against the idea saying loans would worsen Iraq's foreign debt and further Arab suspicious about US intentions in the country.

A fine piece of selective reading, Rono.

The Democrats (and a handful of Republicans who crossed party lines) in the Senate were the ones who turned the $10 billion grant into a loan. Partisan sniping at its finest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38331-2003Oct16.html

But in the Senate, eight Republicans -- many of them usually reliable Bush supporters -- abandoned the president. They were Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Colo.), John Ensign (Nev.), Graham, Olympia J. Snowe (Maine), Sam Brownback (Kans.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Susan Collins (Maine).

Four Democrats voted against the amendment: Zell Miller (Ga.), Maria Cantwell (Wash.), Daniel K. Inouye (Hawaii) and Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.).
 
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STING2 said:
The simple fact is, France, Germany, and Russia have no real desire to aid in the reconstruction in Iraq under any conditions. They have an obvious opportunity to help the Iraqi people and their not going to in any substantial way. Japan on the other hand has now increased its funding of reconstruction by 50% just for this year to 1.5 Billion.

And everyone here is loving the fact that were putting so many billions of dollars when our own country needs help. Quit your generalizations, it's getting old.
 
BonoVoxSupastar,

"And everyone here is loving the fact that were putting so many billions of dollars when our own country needs help."

If the reconstruction effort for Iraq fails, and we have to fight a war ten years later because of that fact, there will be even less money for needs inside the USA. The past way to ensure those things do not happen is to properly fund the reconstruction of Iraq. It is a matter of National and Global Security.
 
STING2 said:
BonoVoxSupastar,

"And everyone here is loving the fact that were putting so many billions of dollars when our own country needs help."

If the reconstruction effort for Iraq fails, and we have to fight a war ten years later because of that fact, there will be even less money for needs inside the USA. The past way to ensure those things do not happen is to properly fund the reconstruction of Iraq. It is a matter of National and Global Security.

But if Bush had done things right in the first place we wouldn't be footing the majority of the bill.

We made our bed now we must lie in it. If anyone believes any country has an obligation to aid now in a move that they didn't back then is pure arrogance. Any aid or help they do now is out of a desire to aid the Iraqi people.
 
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." John F. Kennedy
 
nbcrusader said:
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." John F. Kennedy

I guess Bush and his cronies would ad to the quote, "while pointing fingers at those who don't agree with us."

I guess we'll see somewhere in the near future, if this quote really applies to Bush's actions.
 
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