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Old 10-17-2003, 01:28 PM   #16
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You can't give credit to Bush when you perceive him as evil.....
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Bush could have had a slam dunk a long time ago, before the war, if he wasn't such an asshole. Now he comes groveling back with his tail between his legs, trying to make nice with the people he pissed off 6-7 months ago. Most importantly because he knows if he doesn't get something done internationally in Iraq his chances of re-election get even slimmer. He's listening to what people are complaining about and he's conceding in order to win popular opinion.

Where's the "Bring it on" now tough guy?
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Re: Another Slam Dunk for Bush!

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The United Nations Security Council today passed the US authored resolution 1511 on Iraq today, by a vote of 15-0. Despite France, Germany, and Russia having many difficulties in the days before, they went ahead and voted for the resolution. Even Syria that was expected to abstain or vote against the resolution, voted for the resolution.

The resolution encourages countries to offer more troops for Iraq and more money to rebuild the country and addresses the transfer of sovereignty from the U.S.-led coalition to Iraq.
What the fuck is this for a bullshit,...the UN decide to help the Iraq people and you see it as victory for Bush ?????
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damn,...
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What the fuck is this for a bullshit,...the UN decide to help the Iraq people and you see it as victory for Bush ?????

A resolution pushed by the Bush administration against the opposition of some do-nothing countries. This has been going on for some time.
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I had this in mind,.....

Senate defies Bush on Iraq aid


Bush supporters downplayed the vote
The US Senate has defied President George W Bush by voting to convert half of a $20bn aid package to rebuild Iraq into a loan.

The Republican-run chamber voted 51-47 for the proposal to make $10bn a loan - to be converted to a grant if other countries agree to waive debts owed to them from the former regime.

The Bush administration argued against the idea saying loans would worsen Iraq's foreign debt and further Arab suspicious about US intentions in the country.




So, the next 10 bn would be paid back in oil i guess,...Bush take a dump alright.
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A resolution pushed by the Bush administration against the opposition of some do-nothing countries. This has been going on for some time.
Bush is a masterpusher,...
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The new U.N. resolution will do little. As Reuters reported: "In a joint statement, France, Russia and Germany, said the resolution should have gone further in expanding the political role of the United Nations and accelerating the transfer of power to Iraq. 'In that context, the conditions are not created for us to envisage any military commitment and no further financial contributions beyond our present engagement.' they said. . . . Pakistan, considered a prime candidate for sending soldiers, declined to do so, saying the new multinational force created under the resolution was not distinct enough from occupation troops." (Reuters, 10/17/2003
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The simple fact is, France, Germany, and Russia have no real desire to aid in the reconstruction in Iraq under any conditions. They have an obvious opportunity to help the Iraqi people and their not going to in any substantial way. Japan on the other hand has now increased its funding of reconstruction by 50% just for this year to 1.5 Billion.
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Senate defies Bush on Iraq aid


Bush supporters downplayed the vote
The US Senate has defied President George W Bush by voting to convert half of a $20bn aid package to rebuild Iraq into a loan.

The Republican-run chamber voted 51-47 for the proposal to make $10bn a loan - to be converted to a grant if other countries agree to waive debts owed to them from the former regime.

The Bush administration argued against the idea saying loans would worsen Iraq's foreign debt and further Arab suspicious about US intentions in the country.
A fine piece of selective reading, Rono.

The Democrats (and a handful of Republicans who crossed party lines) in the Senate were the ones who turned the $10 billion grant into a loan. Partisan sniping at its finest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Oct16.html

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But in the Senate, eight Republicans -- many of them usually reliable Bush supporters -- abandoned the president. They were Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Colo.), John Ensign (Nev.), Graham, Olympia J. Snowe (Maine), Sam Brownback (Kans.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Susan Collins (Maine).

Four Democrats voted against the amendment: Zell Miller (Ga.), Maria Cantwell (Wash.), Daniel K. Inouye (Hawaii) and Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.).
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The simple fact is, France, Germany, and Russia have no real desire to aid in the reconstruction in Iraq under any conditions. They have an obvious opportunity to help the Iraqi people and their not going to in any substantial way. Japan on the other hand has now increased its funding of reconstruction by 50% just for this year to 1.5 Billion.
And everyone here is loving the fact that were putting so many billions of dollars when our own country needs help. Quit your generalizations, it's getting old.
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BonoVoxSupastar,

"And everyone here is loving the fact that were putting so many billions of dollars when our own country needs help."

If the reconstruction effort for Iraq fails, and we have to fight a war ten years later because of that fact, there will be even less money for needs inside the USA. The past way to ensure those things do not happen is to properly fund the reconstruction of Iraq. It is a matter of National and Global Security.
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BonoVoxSupastar,

"And everyone here is loving the fact that were putting so many billions of dollars when our own country needs help."

If the reconstruction effort for Iraq fails, and we have to fight a war ten years later because of that fact, there will be even less money for needs inside the USA. The past way to ensure those things do not happen is to properly fund the reconstruction of Iraq. It is a matter of National and Global Security.
But if Bush had done things right in the first place we wouldn't be footing the majority of the bill.

We made our bed now we must lie in it. If anyone believes any country has an obligation to aid now in a move that they didn't back then is pure arrogance. Any aid or help they do now is out of a desire to aid the Iraqi people.
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"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." John F. Kennedy
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"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." John F. Kennedy
I guess Bush and his cronies would ad to the quote, "while pointing fingers at those who don't agree with us."

I guess we'll see somewhere in the near future, if this quote really applies to Bush's actions.
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