Another reason why the NYT is a disgrace - Page 4 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-05-2007, 12:38 AM   #46
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 03:02 AM
Quote:
I'm just a red guy in a blue state.

ISU student
College student in Illinois?
__________________

__________________
deep is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 12:50 AM   #47
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
2861U2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: watching the Cubs
Posts: 4,249
Local Time: 06:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by deep


College student in Illinois?
Yes, and I'm 19, to answer Earnie.
__________________

__________________
2861U2 is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 01:24 AM   #48
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
sue4u2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: hatching some plot, scheming some scheme
Posts: 6,628
Local Time: 06:02 AM
In recent times we have seen that sensationalism drives most news stories, maybe the NYT's have decided to not play the same old game, i.e. report the story before the facts.
Putting a major story (without facts) on a page other that the first page.. well thats just scandalous.
We've all seen where falling into beliving news articles without facts have gotten us.
__________________
sue4u2 is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 09:10 AM   #49
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,974
Local Time: 06:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Ormus

Additionally, I believe that the NYT markets their Sunday paper, in particular, as meaning to appeal to a more cultured and high brow audience, so the fact that they chose to make their headline that day about poverty in India may have more to do with their unique marketing and audience concerns than any FOX News wet dream about a sinister anarcho-leftist conspiracy at the NYT.
I think that's probably true.
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 09:39 AM   #50
Blue Crack Distributor
 
Headache in a Suitcase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Stateless
Posts: 56,364
Local Time: 06:02 AM
well, it was the lead story on every new york city news station and on the front cover of every other new york newspaper sunday morning... so to those who care, which i don't, it certainly, at the very least, gives fuel to the whole new york times is a lefty rag thing when the #1 story on ever other form of media in new york city is on page 30...

that said, the times did probably get it right... the odds of someone being able to pull off an attack like this were/are very low, and even if this was in the "operational" stages, it likely wouldn't have done much if anything more than a nuisance.

hardly "disgraceful"

bloomberg put it best...

"There are lots of threats to you in the world. There's the threat of a heart attack for genetic reasons. You can't sit there and worry about everything. Get a life,"
__________________
Headache in a Suitcase is online now  
Old 06-05-2007, 09:45 AM   #51
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,473
Local Time: 06:02 AM
^ can you please, please explain the whole dog thing to me. even via PM if necessary.
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 09:47 AM   #52
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,974
Local Time: 06:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Irvine511
^ can you please, please explain the whole dog thing to me. even via PM if necessary.
Don't ask, don't tell
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 09:47 AM   #53
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,473
Local Time: 06:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Bluer White

I'm not aware of a litmus test for reporting on the "Culture of Corruption"....black, white, Dem, or Rep. It certainly was a rallying cry in the midterm elections, and a Pelosi initiative to clean things up.


it's the #2 story in the "Washington" section of the website. seems about right.

can you explain to me the persistent need to paint the NYT and NPR as somehow equivalent to FoxNews and the Washington Times?
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 11:46 AM   #54
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 05:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Irvine511




so you've given me one reason.

where's the other?

it does seem, in this case, the term "disgrace" does not apply. in fact, "disgrace" is a rather strong term.
1) The Times refrained from showing the Danish cartoons that set off violence in much of the world because (in a Feb 7, 2006 editorial) "That seems a reasonable choice for news organizations that usually refrain from gratuitous assaults on religious symbols" yet the next day -- THE NEXT DAY -- ran a picture of Chris Ofili's Holy Virgin Mary, a "work of art" that shows the Virgin Mary surrounded by pornographic images and clumps of elephant dung.

Guess it's OK to offend Christians.

2) Eric Lichtblau and James Risen disclose details about the NSA surveillance program. Some nice FYM threads about this already but it's comforting to know that the Times puts winning Pulitzers before national security isn't it?

3) Even though no laws were broken, last year the Times runs a long story exposing a secret government program to track the international bank transfers of terror suspects.

Reporter Eric Lichtblau explains the whole story was "common knowledge." Well it is now.

4) If for no other reason, #2 and #3 fit the liberal/NYT template that says "Bush is the real threat" in the "so called War on Terror."
Which is why (as detailed in Bernard Goldman's new book Crazies To The Left Of Me, Wimps To The Right), the New York Times put Abu Ghraib on the front page FOR THIRTY-TWO CONSECUTIVE DAYS. 32, as in one straight month. Including Sundays Ormus!!

Why does Abu Ghraib make the front page for 32 straight days while a story about a foiled plot to blowup one of the world's busiest airports in the Times own backyard gets buried in it's paper?
Why? Because the New York Times is far more concerned with embarrassing George Bush and electing a Democrat in 2008 -- far more interested in reporting the misdeeds of Americans -- far too worried about offending Muslims -- to honestly, honestly, report about what's going on around our world today.

Read it at your own risk.
__________________
INDY500 is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 11:55 AM   #55
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,473
Local Time: 06:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by INDY500

Why does Abu Ghraib make the front page for 32 straight days while a story about a foiled plot to blowup one of the world's busiest airports in the Times own backyard gets buried in it's paper?


gee, could it be that this destroyed any and all American credibility in Iraq? that we'd become that which we had hoped to remove from Iraq?

but we don't need to get into the catastrophe of AG. it doesn't belong in the same league of an overhyped -- as has now been demonstrated -- unrealistic plot against JFK that the NYT probably knew more about than any other paper.




Quote:
Why? Because the New York Times is far more concerned with embarrassing George Bush and electing a Democrat in 2008 -- far more interested in reporting the misdeeds of Americans -- far too worried about offending Muslims -- to honestly, honestly, report about what's going on around our world today.

Read it at your own risk.

and i understand why you need to continue to think this.
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 11:59 AM   #56
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,655
Local Time: 05:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by INDY500


1) The Times refrained from showing the Danish cartoons that set off violence in much of the world because (in a Feb 7, 2006 editorial) "That seems a reasonable choice for news organizations that usually refrain from gratuitous assaults on religious symbols" yet the next day -- THE NEXT DAY -- ran a picture of Chris Ofili's Holy Virgin Mary, a "work of art" that shows the Virgin Mary surrounded by pornographic images and clumps of elephant dung.

Guess it's OK to offend Christians.

Interesting read, context is everything.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/08/ar...f5067f&ei=5070
__________________
BVS is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 12:13 PM   #57
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 05:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


Interesting read, context is everything.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/08/ar...f5067f&ei=5070
Yep, there's the Virgin Mary picture...dung and all. Still no Danish cartoons.

Offending Christians might hurt you in the pocketbook, but offending Muslims can get you killed. The Times (and many other Western media outlets to be fair) didn't print the cartoons because of intimidation.
__________________
INDY500 is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 12:45 PM   #58
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,473
Local Time: 06:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by INDY500


Yep, there's the Virgin Mary picture...dung and all. Still no Danish cartoons.

Offending Christians might hurt you in the pocketbook, but offending Muslims can get you killed. The Times (and many other Western media outlets to be fair) didn't print the cartoons because of intimidation.


i agree with this point.

i want to see the Virgin Mary covered in dung. i don't care who's offended.

same with Mohammad.
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 01:12 PM   #59
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,655
Local Time: 05:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by INDY500


Yep, there's the Virgin Mary picture...dung and all. Still no Danish cartoons.

Offending Christians might hurt you in the pocketbook, but offending Muslims can get you killed. The Times (and many other Western media outlets to be fair) didn't print the cartoons because of intimidation.
Did you even read the article? You obviously didn't.

If you place the cartoons(which were done currently to offend) next to the Chris Ofili painting(done in 1999) in newsprint no one would know to be offended by the painting. No one, except maybe the fact that the Virgin Mary is depicted as :gasp: black. Is that why you find it offensive?

Ok, but since someone told you it was offensive because it uses dung as a medium you are offended. Well Chris Ofili is a Nigerian painter, and guess what elephant dung has been used in paintings since the dawn of art and is still often used in a variety of rituals in Africa. But don't let the facts get in your way.
__________________
BVS is offline  
Old 06-05-2007, 02:14 PM   #60
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 05:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


except maybe the fact that the Virgin Mary is depicted as :gasp: black. Is that why you find it offensive?

Ok, but since someone told you it was offensive because it uses dung as a medium you are offended. Well Chris Ofili is a Nigerian painter, and guess what elephant dung has been used in paintings since the dawn of art and is still often used in a variety of rituals in Africa. But don't let the facts get in your way.
Holy shit...literally. Now I've heard it all.

Nudity has been used in art since, well, forever as well, but that hardly means that surrounding an image of the Madonna with phonographic cut-outs of vaginas and buttocks wouldn't be perceived by many Christians as offensive.

But this isn't about "art" hanging in a gallery. It's about a picture of it being published in a newspaper that just 24 hours earlier declared it's editorial policy was to "refrain from gratuitous assaults on religious symbols."

However, next time I visit Paris and the Musée du Louvre I'll be sure and check out their, no doubt, immense exhibit of Elephant Dung Art. Guess I missed it last time.
__________________

__________________
INDY500 is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:02 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com