Another reason for me to fucking hate republicans.

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My dad is a minister. He is quiet about his politics, but people at my church know he is a democrat.

A circle of republicans who have power at my church have proposed to cut $25,000 dollars of my dad's salary. That would mean we live in poverty. They cut NOTHING ELSE from the budget, EXCEPT my dad's salary. They want him out, period. Even if the budget fails these people will still be trying to bring him down, therefore he is searching for another church. Normally I don't curse but I just have to get this of my chest.

FUCK THEM!!! FUUUUUUUUCK THEEEEEEEM!!!!

Right as they need to pay for my college tuition. Yes, this IS because my dad is a Democrat and the people in power are Republicans. FUCK THEM!!!!
 
And there are no republicans in the church standing up for your father?

I am saddened at your situation.
 
My dad has turned this church around. The previous minister had been arrested and put in prison for possessing child porn. My dad came in with a big mess to clean. He did that, and over 100 members have joined in the last 3 years. The youth group has grown and become more active. We HAD been doing fine. Until now.
 
Dreadsox said:
And there are no republicans in the church standing up for your father?

I am saddened at your situation.

There are a few, but those that are in power are the problem. Their mindset. My dad is a very strong man, and he has never been so hurt in his entire life.
 
They sound like delightful people.

Amazing how sometimes the ones who think they are the most holy act it the least.
 
U2democrat said:


There are a few, but those that are in power are the problem. Their mindset. My dad is a very strong man, and he has never been so hurt in his entire life.

so do you fing hate them too?:wink:

I will keep you in my prayers!
 
nbcrusader said:
The political leanings of pastors and elders should never come into play

I agree. So does my dad. He never talks politics with people in the church. But still people know where he stands, especially with his liberal views from the pulpit. They're intimidated that my dad isn't one of the "good ol' boys", that he'll actually challenge people to do something. This is sad and disgusting, and unfortunately I can't speak my mind to these people because that would only make the situation worse.
 
From the heart of a pastor's child, I am sorry. Essentially, I realized in high school that if i continued to go to the church my dad works at, I would've cost him his job.
While I know how hard it is to move, it sounds like your dad might look into finding another church to lead. The first church I grew up in was going to make my dad's full-time job a part-time job. So, he found another church. I know that makes it sound easy; and, I'm sure your dad wants to fight the fight. Sometimes fighting is not worth it though. Sorry, I should not give advice. My heart and prayers are with you.
 
I am part of the Ministry Committee at our church - so I hear first hand just a sample of the "free advice" our Senior Pastor receives after each sermon.

Powerful teaching makes for a lonely position. You usually end up saying things people don't want to hear. My wife has experienced the same thing in leading a woman's bible study.

I will be praying for you and your family!
 
He's already looking for another church. Thankfully I would be leaving anyway since I'm going to college. But we're really going to have to work hard to help pay for college now.
 
nbcrusader said:
I am part of the Ministry Committee at our church - so I hear first hand just a sample of the "free advice" our Senior Pastor receives after each sermon.

Powerful teaching makes for a lonely position. You usually end up saying things people don't want to hear. My wife has experienced the same thing in leading a woman's bible study.

I will be praying for you and your family!

Thanks for your prayers, and everyone elses prayers that have been offered.

I'm glad to see nbcrusader and blueyedpoet can understand where I'm coming from. This is very frustrating and infuriating.
 
Oh, no, U2dem, this sucks. I'm really sorry that's happened, I think partisanship has totally gone berserk in this country. Pastors shouldn't be judged by their political views. Heck, I know Catholic priests who are Republicans and some who are Democrats. The one who confirmed me when I converted was a Democrat, and then our more recent ones have been Republican. This doesn't matter, they're all good priests who work hard as heck helping others. I am angered that they've got the knives out for your father. :mad: :madspit: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:
 
Another frustrating thing is that the average income of our church is one of the richest in virginia, but per person the giving is PITIFUL. of 129 disciple of christ churches in virginia, ours is 124 when it comes to giving. even the poor black and appalachain churches give more than ours. and now they want to save more money by driving my family into poverty. this is whats driving me nuts, this "republican" mindset of the dinosaurs that are in power.
 
Um, christianity is dead, and it's dead because of events like this. Last night I was watching TBN because I'm living with my overt conservative grandparents. the program was all about government trying to silence conservative churches. The conservative heart is led by fear. How unfortunate and sad. While it is so easy, and understandable, to say fuck them, perhaps a sprinkle of love will help. Offerings of grace are so unsettling to people. Love your enemies, I'm reminded daily. I really despise that sermom on the mount sometimes. Nevertheless I see the benefits. How ironic, I'm listening to Love and Peace right now. I know it's not fair what these conservatives are trying to do, but think of the opportunity you've been given to show love to those who certainly haven't acted loveable.
Of course if this is something you can't do now, it's completely understandable. It's okay to be very angry right now. I wish you all the best.
 
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there's just nothing positive about this situation. good luck to your dad in dealing with these small-minded, petty folk. don't let the bastards grind you down....
 
And you know that this is the entire reason..because they are Republicans?
 
From another PK, I'm sorry to say that I've been in your situation. Just like any other institution, churches are full of imperfect people with misguided schemes. I hope that the situation is not as bad as it appears, and that it doesn't get any worse. You and your family will be in my prayers. It's a shame to see God's people stoop to such matters. :(
 
blueyedpoet said:
Um, christianity is dead.

Fortunately, I beg to differ. While it's true that some churches around the country are choking out God with their selfish desires, many others are rising up. The younger generation has taken a new, relevent look at a personal relationship with God, and I'm so thankful to see the ways in which this refreshing outlook is changing Christianity.

The truth is that many of these problematic churches are run by those with old traditions, and as harsh as this sounds, their philosophies will die out with them. I'm optimistic about the future of my faith and I'm encouraged by the work of God among the Church.
 
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stammer476 said:
From another PK, I'm sorry to say that I've been in your situation. Just like any other institution, churches are full of imperfect people with misguided schemes. I hope that the situation is not as bad as it appears, and that it doesn't get any worse. You and your family will be in my prayers. It's a shame to see God's people stoop to such matters. :(

sad to say it IS as bad as it appears. :mad::rant::madspit:
 
I'm truly sorry to hear that. :hug:

Demo, I wouldn't normally say something like this, but I do know what you're going through. I would get into more details, but there are just certain things I won't say about the church in a public forum. This is a horrible ordeal to have to handle at this age. If you need to vent, rant, fume, cry, share stories or just a little advice on how to deal with this, feel free to email: lineofgrace@hotmail.com
 
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You seriously need to talk with someone about this. I'm incredibly thankful for those who were there for me in my situation. Don't let these emotions build inside you without a healthy outlet.
 
(((U2democrat)))

I am so sorry to find out about your father's situation. He should be judged on his job performance alone and it sounds like your father has done a splendid job as pastor. It just kills me how people who call themselves proper Christians or people of strong morals have lumps of coal where their hearts should be. These people who are trying to destroy your father's career are among the most evil of evil. I am wishing both you and your family strength in this difficult time.
 
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