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U2democrat said:
so true, so true.
Another reason for me to fucking hate republicans.
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UltraVioletMofo
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U2democrat said:
Well thats not really liberal at all. I was under the assumption by first reading the line that he supports liberal ideas from the pulpit.
But examining ones faith is something right or left of the political spectrum is healthy and probably one of the better things anyone as a faith believer could do on a daily basis. Thats not meant to mean questioning god or try to change the teachings but rather question yourself to be sure your walking the path you should be.
Now if his teachings are of the kind that question God and the work of the bible with which he is teaching from, then we have another ball game eniterly. But from your response it sounds like in the process of prodding hes struck the sheep a bit harder than they cared to be. And that could be the root for their dislike of him. I hope it all works for you folks.
pub crawler
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U2democrat said:
My priest, who has been with our parish several months, at his last parish went through exactly the same thing as your father. He was ousted by a conservative power alignment of parishioners. He was "too liberal" for them.
Your dad is exactly right about the control thing. Some people who are in power in churches -- and this is really irrespective of political party affiliation -- have acquired that power for no other reason than they have been a member of the congregation for a long time and served on a governing board for a long time. And of that group, those who are most petty and immature and controlling will fight the hardest to hold onto that power. Again, this goes for liberals, conservatives and everybody in between.
People "act out" in church in a way that they never would in any other aspect of public life -- and in church, they get away with it.
This new priest of ours is unfortunately already getting beat up by some parishioners for sometimes doing things differently than "the way things have always been done" (this usually has to do with the way the liturgy itself is done). People are amazingly short-sighted and self-centered. *shrug*
My priest has told me a lot about what happened in the parish he used to lead (and from which he was ousted) and part of what he told me is that these people in particular power alliances will not give up until they get their way. In short, they're petty little human beings and they need to fucking grow up, but never will.
It doesn't matter how much good the pastor has done.....
It doesn't matter if he or she is great at being a pastor and does the job as it should be done....
It doesn't matter if the pastor implements and oversees the development of great programs that bring growth to the church...
None of that matters if the pastor pisses off the wrong group of village idiots.
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indra
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pub crawler said:
That is so sadly true. It works in almost every group situation too.
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pub crawler said:
Right now, I am very thankful for my pastors (married couple - she's the "80%" pastor and he's the "20%" pastor and is also getting his doctorate in theology.)
and my congregation. I've seen touches of crap like this going on because you can't please everyone - but our church thanks our pastors and our pastors thank our congregation all of the time. Something is working right here.
DaveC
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Gah! U2Dem!!
This is such a terrible situation. I just dont know what to say.
But you know that I'm ALWAYS around to talk to if you need it. You know where to find me, and I'll be there to lend an ear. Don't forget that.
No matter what happens, we all love ya, kiddo.
This is such a terrible situation. I just dont know what to say.
But you know that I'm ALWAYS around to talk to if you need it. You know where to find me, and I'll be there to lend an ear. Don't forget that.
No matter what happens, we all love ya, kiddo.
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How awful!
I hope your dad finds a church where people appreciate him. Those hypocritcal so-and-so's don't deserve him.
I hope your dad finds a church where people appreciate him. Those hypocritcal so-and-so's don't deserve him.
verte76
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I really hate all of this egos and power political plays in churches. Priests have come and gone in my church, I don't follow what the power structure is doing. Probably if I did I'd find out some rather shocking things. To be perfectly honest I'm not sure I want to know this stuff.
nbcrusader
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Churches are microcosms of the general population. I think we are fooling ourselves if we think that being active in a church will automatically change a person or have them drop their human tendencies.
U2democrat
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Everything pubcrawler and nbcrusader said, unfortunately is the truth. power corrupts, no matter how big or small the power may be. right now the future of my parents and me is in the hands of our congregation. we'll see how they respond on november 21 when they vote.
Liesje
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U2democrat said:
Hmmmm, that really sucks. One thing though, trust me it's not any better on the conservative side of the fence! My bf's dad is a pastor who was called to help start the church he's at now and he's still making less than didley even though they love him and he loves his job. But those people in charge of the budget sound like cowards to me. Ultimately, they DO have the right to decide who preaches, but driving someone out by cutting his salary is a pretty damn immature thing to do.
If they don't agree with his politics or theology, they should come out and say it so a more respectable solution can be found. Now I'm not really sure how these things work since I only recently became an independent member of my church, but I'm guessing the congregation will vote on the proposed budget? Also, don't stress about college tuition, that's what student loans and scholarships are for. My college tuition is $26,000/yr and my parents can't pitch in a cent.
DaveC said:Gah! U2Dem!!
This is such a terrible situation. I just dont know what to say.
But you know that I'm ALWAYS around to talk to if you need it. You know where to find me, and I'll be there to lend an ear. Don't forget that.
No matter what happens, we all love ya, kiddo.
this former republican feels the same way.
U2democrat
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Dreadsox said:
thanks dread, thanks dave
U2democrat
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Dreadsox said:Don't get all mushy on me now...please...
U2democrat
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Dreadsox said:awwww crap........
you almost made my grinchy heart twinge.....
love ya, dread!
MrsSpringsteen
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What's going on here?
Are you going to be starting a Dreadsox picture thread U2Democrat? What about John?
Are you going to be starting a Dreadsox picture thread U2Democrat? What about John?
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Who says there's no love in FYM?
U2democrat
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Dreadsox said:I put on my uniform today for the kids at school....and....I could not button the jacket on my dress uniform.......
So much for the man in uniform theory......
though i am one of the suckers for men in uniform.....
U2democrat
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MrsSpringsteen said:What's going on here?
Are you going to be starting a Dreadsox picture thread U2Democrat? What about John?
John will always be number 1 in my
.Sorry Dread! It's difficult to compete with those southern charmers, especially as a southerner myself
I still
ya though!
MrsSpringsteen
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I like men in uniform too, and Southern charmers (as long as it's genuine charm, not fake)
U2democrat
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MrsSpringsteen said:
hmmm, john edwards in some sort of uniform........
wow this thread went from the status of my dad's job to drooling over john edwards. HA.
Stonewall
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Deep hatred -- like yours -- can hurt
Gee, did Daddy Minister teach Daddy's Little Girl to talk like that? Why subject us to that vileness? U turn people as sitting ducks off and off the board with that incessant, crude, rude, ambushing, oooooooooooooooooover-the-toppppppppppppppppp vulgarity.
Your daddy's salary is only "proposed" to be cut. It's not the end of the world. Moreover, it realistically hasn't even happened! It's only a"proposal". Maybe the church can longer afford it? Perhaps the good Lord heard your ranting and screaming "F/U"s and was impressed enough to help?
One of my longtime friends, Ronnie, had his salary cut by more than double the amount that U bemoaned. In fact, he permanently lost his job. He worked on the 106th floor of the South Tower of the World Trade Center on September 11th, 2001. Think about it.... and chill the "F" out!
U2democrat said:
Gee, did Daddy Minister teach Daddy's Little Girl to talk like that? Why subject us to that vileness? U turn people as sitting ducks off and off the board with that incessant, crude, rude, ambushing, oooooooooooooooooover-the-toppppppppppppppppp vulgarity.
Your daddy's salary is only "proposed" to be cut. It's not the end of the world. Moreover, it realistically hasn't even happened! It's only a"proposal". Maybe the church can longer afford it? Perhaps the good Lord heard your ranting and screaming "F/U"s and was impressed enough to help? One of my longtime friends, Ronnie, had his salary cut by more than double the amount that U bemoaned. In fact, he permanently lost his job. He worked on the 106th floor of the South Tower of the World Trade Center on September 11th, 2001. Think about it.... and chill the "F" out!
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verte76
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Stonewall, that wasn't the reaction of the forum in general, and that includes the conservatives like NBCrusader, Dreadsox and others. It is maddening when people play power games like that, and it's better to express your emotions rather than hiding them. I happen to think suppressing emotion is one reason why people become terrorists. Think about it, would you have people faking it, or expressing themselves?
U2democrat
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Dude you don't know this church so reserve your judgements. It has TONS of money. These members have TONS of money. They just don't want to give any up. I'm sorry about your friend, but giving me a guilt trip sure as heck ain't gonna work. I know the reality of my situation, so next time you should stop and think before judging it when you're not even in my shoes.
pax
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Stonewall, please. While we all of course realize that there are gradations of tragedy in the world, there was no need for that.
You're welcome to post in FYM, but please try to keep your temper in check. It's something we all have to do, even the mods (ESPECIALLY the mods).
You're welcome to post in FYM, but please try to keep your temper in check. It's something we all have to do, even the mods (ESPECIALLY the mods).
Flying FuManchu
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I can see where stonewall is coming from... to a degree... but stonewall, any contrary comment is bound to incite... c'est la vie
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