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Old 02-02-2003, 12:44 PM   #1
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Another question for the conservatives here

And I'm just curious this time.

Does it bother you that Edge and Larry have each had several children without being married to the mothers of their children? (Yet they profess Christianity.)

If it doesn't bother you, why not?

If it does bother you, why?
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Old 02-02-2003, 02:06 PM   #2
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No it does not bother me. Love is not a piece of paper, or a legal term.
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ya but sting2, she wasnt asking you, she was asking the conservatives...
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That should probably be another thread, what is a conservative?
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I'm asking the "conservatives" because many times conservatives tend to disagree with the ideas of living together before marriage, pre-marital sex, and children outside of marriage. I wanted to know what they thought about musicians and people they admire disregarding what many Christians and conservatives feel to be basic rules of Christianity.
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Wow, Christians disagreeing with each other on certain issues. Imagine that.

Nowhere in the Bible is premarital sex explicitly forbidden, but there are plenty of references to "sexual immorality," and I'm pretty sure monogamy was the ideal by the time Jesus walked the earth.

It seems to me that the reason that premarital sex and Christians marrying non-Christians are considered to be "sin" is because they're considered to be universally harmful. Only God and the people involved know for sure.
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And so was early marriage. Mary was likely a ripe old age of 13 when she had Jesus. Considering the life expectancy then was only a fraction of what it is now, they had to get married young.

Indeed...premarital sex is not mentioned explicitly (if you actually look at the original texts, rather than the misinterpretations), but that is only because it wasn't common. You got married right away.

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And so was early marriage. Mary was likely a ripe old age of 13 when she had Jesus. Considering the life expectancy then was only a fraction of what it is now, they had to get married young.

Indeed...premarital sex is not mentioned explicitly (if you actually look at the original texts, rather than the misinterpretations), but that is only because it wasn't common. You got married right away.

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This is true. Perhaps Paul wasn't being flippant when he said that exceptionally horny young Christians should find someone and get married right away.
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Uh, guys, the Bible does indeed name "fornication" as a "sin." In fact, I've always thought it's funny that the Church generally treats homosexuality as an "abomination" yet basically turns a blind eye to fornication unless it involves adultery -- and yet the Bible makes a much bigger deal of "fornication" than it does "homosexuality." Yes, yes, I understand the biblical references are all subject to context, changing interpretations, etc., etc., hence, my quotation marks.

I'm philosophical about "fornication." Try not to "fornicate" if you're putting yourself at risk of unwanted pregnancy, contracting std's or hurting someone (i.e. "using" them). Otherwise, I don't have any feelings about it one way or the other.
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Oh wait, martha was addressing the "conservatives."
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"Fornication" is not a Biblical word. They didn't use that word in the Bible, no more than they used the 19th century invented word "homosexuality."

What I picked up in a dictionary once:

"The word 'fornication' had a lowly beginning suitable to what has long been the low moral status of the act to which it refers. The Latin word 'fornix,' from which 'fornicti,' the ancestor of fornication, is derived, meant 'a vault, an arch.' The term also referred to a vaulted cellar or similar place where prostitutes plied their trade. This sense of 'fornix' in Late Latin yielded the verb fornicr, “to commit fornication,” from which is derived fornicti, “whoredom, fornication.” Our word is first recorded in Middle English about 1303."

So it appears that "fornicating" in the Biblical times could have referred to prostitution, just as "homosexuality" likely referred pagan temple prostitution. It is interesting how that word "prostitution" always end up popping up...

But I get what you're getting at. What has always amused me is how divorce is condemned so many times in the Gospels, and, yet, where are all these "good Christians" trying to criminalize divorce? Of course, my favorite is the mistranslation of "porneia" ("blood mixing"; incest) for "adultery" in Matthew, giving a supposed "exception clause" allowing divorce. Well, Henry VIII needed some excuse in the 1500s, now didn't he?

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melon, I'm not understanding you. Are you saying the word "fornication" never occurs in the modern day Bible or are you saying that it never occurred in the original text, or both?
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So, is anyone who frequently posts conservative opinions besides STING2 gonna answer me? Or are we going to debate Biblical semantics? Which is fine. It's interesting.
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So, is anyone who frequently posts conservative opinions besides STING2 gonna answer me? Or are we going to debate Biblical semantics? Which is fine. It's interesting.
Well, ultimately my answer is...it bothers me to the extent that I am familiar with the Edge's and Larry's personal lives, which is almost zero.
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