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Old 02-02-2003, 11:14 PM   #16
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melon, I'm not understanding you. Are you saying the word "fornication" never occurs in the modern day Bible or are you saying that it never occurred in the original text, or both?
Actually, I need to correct myself slightly. I went to dictionary.com, and found this curious entry:

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in every form of it was sternly condemned by the Mosaic law (Lev. 21:9; 19:29; Deut. 22:20, 21, 23-29; 23:18; Ex. 22:16). (See ADULTERY.) But this word is more frequently used in a symbolical than in its ordinary sense. It frequently means a forsaking of God or a following after idols (Isa. 1:2; Jer. 2:20; Ezek. 16; Hos. 1:2; 2:1-5; Jer. 3:8,9).

Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

I mean that words change meaning over time, and to take the Bible and apply modern conventions and taboos to it would be a big mistake.

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Old 02-02-2003, 11:19 PM   #17
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Got ya.
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Old 02-02-2003, 11:48 PM   #18
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Ok. Now I have two whole answers. (Thanks, speedy.)
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Old 02-03-2003, 01:17 AM   #19
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Ok. Now I have two whole answers. (Thanks, speedy.)
what, isn't that about 1/2 of conservative membs in interference?
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haha, I'd say right-wingers outnumber left-wingers about 5:1 on this forum.
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Old 02-03-2003, 05:45 AM   #21
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I'm not sure if I am a conservative. I've always been curious about the american way of categorizing people.

I think premarital sex is often discouraged not simply because the bible says so, but because it will have various & potentially negative emotional repercussions. For eg, the woman might feel insecure about the man marrying her after prem-sex because she might think that he is marrying for the sex (that is, if the sex was good). Other reasons include sex bringing the r/ship to a different level and complicates things.

To answer the question, Flag PolePear, Edge & Morleigh's life before marriage doesn't bother me.

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To the original question, Martha has asked two:

First, do you consider sex outside of marriage wrong? This is probably a good topic for another thread (with a diverse array of interpretations), but unwarranted here as I feel you really don't care about the answer to this question.

Second, if sex outside of marriage is wrong, what shall we do concerning the couple of members of U2? Not being in a place to provide counsel before the actions took place, there is really nothing you can do other than love them as a brother and sister.
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Old 02-03-2003, 09:18 AM   #23
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Woo-Hoo! 3 1/2 answers! According to us3, that should be about all I can hope for.

nbc, you almost answered the question, but not quite. You can try again without incurring a penalty.
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Old 02-03-2003, 09:23 AM   #24
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The other question is what is marriage? Does it require a formal ceremony, or can it be an implicit contract between two people?

St. Paul, funny enough, was for eliminating ceremonial marriage altogether, but kept it out of the "weakness" of the people around him.

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Wow, I just wrote a big ol' journal entry about this the other day (which was probably pretty long and boring). I don't feel like typing it all out again tho. lol. To keep it simple, I will say that I believe marriage is not a ceremony or a piece of paper, but a committment between two people before God and each other. In my very humble opinion, weddings are to true marriage what baptism is to true faith...an outward symbol of an inner reality. You can be a Christian without being baptized (of course I am coming from my own theological background here) and you can be married without a wedding. But whether or not it might be wise to do both is another question entirely.

But as I don't know if I fit the "conservative" moniker...actually every day I feel myself fitting it less and less...maybe I shouldn't be replying at all.
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Wow, I just wrote a big ol' journal entry about this the other day (which was probably pretty long and boring). I don't feel like typing it all out again tho. lol. To keep it simple, I will say that I believe marriage is not a ceremony or a piece of paper, but a committment between two people before God and each other. In my very humble opinion, weddings are to true marriage what baptism is to true faith...an outward symbol of an inner reality. You can be a Christian without being baptized (of course I am coming from my own theological background here) and you can be married without a wedding. But whether or not it might be wise to do both is another question entirely.

But as I don't know if I fit the "conservative" moniker...actually every day I feel myself fitting it less and less...maybe I shouldn't be replying at all.
Well said.
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I agree that there are certain words that have changed meanings over time and so forth, so there is room for interpretation as to if the bible actually condemns sex before marriage.

But the majority of organized Christian churches interpret it to mean that it is wrong. Now with that being said...I've always found it interesting that God chose to impregnate a woman who was not married. Now I understand that for everything to work out the way it's suppose to, she had to be a virgin, but think of the dangers he put this woman and child in. People were stoned for the smallest things at this time in history.

I've just always found this interesting.
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nbc, you almost answered the question, but not quite. You can try again without incurring a penalty.
Would you mind restating the question, or at least the part I missed?

Thanks!
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Sula.

Am I conservative? I'll answer anyway-

it doesn't bother me. They were/are in a loving committed relationship, for the 'long haul.'

I'm more curious how Morleigh & Edge reconciled their faith differences.......
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Old 02-03-2003, 01:24 PM   #30
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And I'm just curious this time.

Does it bother you that Edge and Larry have each had several children without being married to the mothers of their children? (Yet they profess Christianity.)

If it doesn't bother you, why not?

If it does bother you, why?
Here ya go, nbc. You talked about loving and couselling them. What do you think about what they did?
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