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Old 01-10-2005, 04:02 PM   #1
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angels in america - how do you feel about it?

ok, i realize this is a TV show and probably belongs to lemonade stand, but since the discussion will be most probably political, i think itd suit the concept of FYM.

so, i just saw the show here, i liked it quite a lot and as a non-american i can say i found it pretty interesting. what did you guys think of it? im sure most of the democrats loved it but im really curious about what the conservatives thought of it... outraged? loved it? didnt even bother watching it? do you think it represents an accurate picture?
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i haven't seen it, and the only time i've heard about it is when the emmys are on.
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well, there is a gay guy (prior walter) dying of AIDS, then an angel visits him and tells him he is a prophet, events unfold.

it takes place in 1985, reagan era, and AIDS is seen mainly as a homosexual disease.. it does show how far the world has come in the last 20 years but also how it is still stuck on certain issues.

i really think you should see it some time.
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Angels in America is a really fabulous and moving play. I first read it at age 15, believe it or not! I haven't yet seen the movie, though I want to.

It portrays AIDS, religion, sexuality, bigotry, love, family, friendship, and so much more in ways that seem so shocking at first, but when you get to the resolution of the play...you really get it. It really does have a beautiful ending. Kushner is so unflinching in his treatment of all the characters that you're so genuinely pleased when, in a way, people find what they're looking for.

I highly, highly recommend it.
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well, pax put it in a better way than i did
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It's on HBO or something, right? We don't get those channels.
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yeah i think it was on HBO
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It's on DVD now, too.
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ah ok. i'll keep that in mind.
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I'll check this out as well.
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its 6 hours of genius. there's no question it comes from a liberal standpoint, but it also rightly deamonizes certain Republicans in the 80s who simply didn't care about AIDS because it afflicted our most vulnerable populations -- gays, the poor, drug users, african americans -- who were never going to vote Republican anyway.

if you can find it, read Frank Rich's column on the HBO movie -- it ran in the NY Times in mid-November 2003.

the play hits so many heights of sheer poetry that it's hard to pick out a favorite moment, but it will go down in history as the greatest piece of theater that was produced in the 1990s and perhaps the crowning artistic response to the AIDS crisis of the 1980s.
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If you like that one you should also catch Carnivale which is about the same length and I think by the same people. Takes a while to get into but its worth it.
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Oh boy am I glad I didn't see this. All this villainizing of Reagan after the fact on AIDS is unfair and incorrect. He DID give money, and no matter how much more he (and congress, don't forget he wasn't dictator and could do nothing alone!!!! and there were democrats in congress!!) gave, it still would not have been cured, because even now with all the money and technology we have it STILL isn't so I don't know what makes anyone think it would have made a difference! There is NOTHING that could have been done to stop the epidemic from spreading other than quarantining the original few hundred victims, which you are all so against, or finding out sooner the causes, like blood, but we just plain didn't know that yet and it was no part of an evil, anti gay and prostitute conspiracy! EVERYONE wanted this disease gone, and anyone who thinks anyone hoped it would kill off certain people is paranoid and very wrong. In those days we were terrified of catching it from public toilets and sinks, or even through the air, there is NO WAY they wanted it to continue unchecked! There may have been an isolated case or 2 of hateful comments by some, but you can't stop everyone's big mouth. The gov't did not feel that way. The biggest thing that could have controlled the spread was safe sex, and a lot of people (gay, straight, everything) simply would not control their sexual appetite or habits and they gave it to a lot more people. No one ever even mentions that there was also responsibility in other places than Washington!

It's also a fallicy that there was no education trying to tell people about it, I was in school in the 80's and we heard it and got pamphlets, and my Dad used to go to classes on it from work and bring the stuff home from work. It DID exist, and sorry, my Dad worked for the government, the big, bad, evil REAGAN government, and they WERE trying to help and spread the word back then, I was there, I saw it, no trashing in retrospect will fool me.
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Kitten, this thread is about Angels in America, the play, not about Ronald Reagan. No one in this thread has trashed Reagan. Please start a different thread if you want to talk about AIDS funding in the '80s and Reagan's role in it.

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Reagan didn't even say the word "AIDS" until 1987.

it's less about people being gleeful that a hated minority was afflicted and more about there being little in the way of political interest combined with apathy that lead to the Reagan government's general indifference to the disease in the early 1980s.

no, we wouldn't have cured the disease, but we would have known much more about it, how it spread, and how to protect ourselves.
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