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Old 08-30-2006, 08:09 PM   #31
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I don't think the lawsuit will go anywhere either,

perhaps Walmart will pay or make a donation to make it go away sooner
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Wal-Mart? Part with money?!
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I think we all have some racist attitudes.

I think his remarks were racist.

The fact that he owned up to it
indicates that he does support racist beliefs.
You've been saying this for years and I used to think it was out of sheer ignorance, but now I'm wondering if it is some kind of loophole for you personally or something?

Not everyone has racist attitudes. On this you are absolutely incorrect. Plain and simple. You piss me off every time you say it, actually.
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Actually, I have to say he's right in the sense that most stores on the corners (at least in poorer neighborhoods) are owned by those of Middle Eastern descent (not always 'Arabs' - hell, one store in my neighborhood was owned by Indians (the country) at one point.) and are notorious for bad meat and produce, and DO let us not discuss the price gouging.

Does this mean that every Middle Eastern store owner does this? No. I have also been in stores owned by Middle Easterners that would put Jewel and Dominick's to shame.

Does this mean I think his delivery was a bright moment?

Nope. Not at all. Those stores were badly run because too many poor people also didn't want to take the extra time to go the 3/4ths of a mile to Jewel's because it's 'too expensive'. Forget about the fact that the quality of food is usually better; forget about the fact that you could get larger quantities of food that is cleaner..
Nope. Not going there.
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Not everyone has racist attitudes.
it is just a question of degree

awhile back

I posted an online test
that one could take

to determine
what bias they have

and how much

I did have some
it was not too extreme


others, that in my opinion that had made insensitive remarks,
and claimed to be neutral,
would not reveal their scores,
but went apeshit on the test, the socialist that created it, etc.
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Don't think I remember that thread...could you possibly provide a link, deep? I'd be curious to see that test and the ensuing discussion myself, but am not sure what search keywords to use. Thanks.
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Don't think I remember that thread.

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It is well known that people don't always 'speak their minds', and it is suspected that people don't always 'know their minds'. Understanding such divergences is important to scientific psychology. This web site presents a method that demonstrates the conscious-unconscious divergences much more convincingly than has been possible with previous methods. It also displays the method in a do-it-yourself demonstration form. This new method is called the Implicit Association Test, or IAT for short.



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Race ('Black-White' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to distinguish faces of European and African origin. The Black-White IAT appears to be our most distressing test. It indicates that most Americans have an automatic preference for White over Black.


('young-old' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to distinguish old from young faces. This test often indicates that Americans have automatic preference for young over old.


('Gender-Science' IAT). This IAT often reveals a relative link between liberal arts and females and between science and males.


Presidents ('Presidential Popularity' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to recognize photos of George W. Bush and one or more previous presidents. The results revealed by this test provide a new method of appraising public support for the President of the United States.

Take the Implicit Association Test here
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wow


the site has changed a lot from 2003



there are test for bias? against

gays
Muslims
Judaism


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Race IAT

Race ('Black - White' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to distinguish faces of European and African origin. It indicates that most Americans have an automatic preference for white over black.


Weapons IAT

Weapons ('Weapons - Harmless Objects' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to recognize White and Black faces, and images of weapons or harmless objects.
Gender-Science IAT

Gender - Science. This IAT often reveals a relative link between liberal arts and females and between science and males.


Sexuality IAT

Sexuality ('Gay - Straight' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to distinguish words and symbols representing gay and straight people. It often reveals an automatic preference for straight relative to gay people.


Presidents IAT

Presidents ('Presidential Popularity' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to recognize photos of George W. Bush and one or more previous presidents. The results revealed by this test provide a new method of appraising public support for the President of the United States.


Weight IAT

Weight ('Fat - Thin' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to distinguish faces of people who are obese and people who are thin. It often reveals an automatic preference for thin people relative to fat people.


Asian IAT

Asian American ('Asian - European American' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to recognize White and Asian-American faces, and images of places that are either American or Foreign in origin.


Arab-Muslim IAT

Arab-Muslim ('Arab Muslim - Other People' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to distinguish names that are likely to belong to Arab-Muslims versus people of other nationalities or religions. It frequently reveals an automatic preference for other people compared to Arab-Muslims.


Native IAT

Native American ('Native - White American' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to recognize White and Native American faces in either classic or modern dress, and the names of places that are either American or Foreign in origin.


Age IAT

Age ('Young - Old' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to distinguish old from young faces. This test often indicates that Americans have automatic preference for young over old.


Disability IAT

Disability ('Disabled - Abled' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to recognize symbols representing abled and disabled individuals.


Skin-tone IAT

Skin-tone ('Light Skin - Dark Skin' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to recognize light and dark-skinned faces. It often reveals an automatic preference for light-skin relative to dark-skin.


Gender-Career IAT

Gender - Career. This IAT often reveals a relative link between family and females and between career and males.


Religion IAT

Religion ('Judaism - Other Religions' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to recognize religious symbols from various world religions, especially Judaism.
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You have completed the Asian American-European American IAT.


Your data suggest a strong association of European American with American and Asian American with Foreign compared to Asian American with American and European American with Foreign.



In evidence from the laboratory, most people show a moderate or strong unconscious bias associating faces of European descent with American and not faces of Asian descent, even among those who do not self-report such a bias.






i believe an Asia- American

is no less American

than an European- American
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Thanks for the links, deep. I did take the "black-white IAT" and got the result "slight preference for African-American relative to European-American," which I suppose isn't surprising considering my upbringing, though it was a bit distressing, considering that "no preference" is obviously the result one would like to see. (Interestingly, I see from an article linked on the site that most African-Americans who took it actually reported a slight preference for European-Americans.) I think I'll hold off for awhile on trying any of the other tests though, as I found the process rather fatiguing, perhaps simply because I've had a long day.

Based on a quick readthrough, the methodology used doesn't sound particularly problematic to me; this is a common enough style of test for measuring biases of various types. As far as relating the results to political or even tangentially political matters (e.g. jury selection, media analysis, public speaking etc.) though, I think it's important to keep in mind that what this type of test does not show is the beneficial (and possibly counter-)influence of superego--and its related phemonenon, conscience--on the process of formulating one's commitments and stances. At the purely individual level, it's an unfortunate fact that this process does not work very well in reverse--i.e., the ability of moral reasoning alone to impact subconscious attitudes is limited, as the latter derive more from experience. However, at the level of the individual as citizen and political actor (again, even tangentially), one can still "do the right thing"--and recognize what is not the right thing--even if some fairly extensive subconscious biases remain. Nonetheless, the cumulative results of this test--assuming one accepts the general viability of the methodology, as I at least am inclined to--would appear to make a powerful argument in favor of encouraging people to deliberately seek out consciousness-raising experiences with an eye to reducing their own indicated biases, hopefully bringing them more into line both with what their conscience tells them, and with what they would prefer to be true of themselves (which is itself a manifestation of superego). There is really nothing of value to be compromised through that endeavor.
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