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Old 02-16-2002, 04:09 PM   #1
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Informative. Though, that is not what my teacher was referring to. But that's really good to know. Thanks.

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Old 02-16-2002, 06:46 PM   #2
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I love how you say this with a straight face.

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Old 02-16-2002, 07:08 PM   #3
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I love how you say this with a straight face.
I have no idea what you mean by that. But that's okay. Cuz I'd probably disagree, seeing that we disagree on almost everything.
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Old 02-16-2002, 08:48 PM   #4
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I love how you say this with a straight face.
I have no idea what you mean by that. But that's okay. Cuz I'd probably disagree, seeing that we disagree on almost everything.
I have difficulty swallowing the whole idea that the Taliban is suddenly evil in the eyes of the Bush Administration, when womens' groups have been talking about it for years. We've supported this government for years when we thought it could serve our purposes; now that its true colors have been seen, it supports terrorism! Wow! Whatta surprise!

Anyway, 80s, I thought your use of the phrase "War on Terrorism" was interesting, rather than calling the Afganistan War. The Bush Administration calls it the "War on Terrorism" I think, so it can get away with more illegal suspensions of rights. If they were to say that our phones needed to be tapped to help the war in Afganistan, fewer people would go for it. Now they can say they need my personal information to "help stop terrorism." I don't buy it.


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even if it is rambling, you were proving yer point which i totally agree with
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and your point is...

Time again for another tale from Lilly's sociology class:
starring: Lilly, an informed and intelligent young woman.
Teacher: an uninformed and ignorant but tries to force her crazy beliefs on her students.
Jerry: class idiot. black sheep of everything.

Teacher: Pakistan is a problem to us, right?
Jerry: No, they're our friends.
Lilly: Except no Jerry, they aren't.
Jerry: They let us use their airspace.
Lilly: They hate America, they hate Afghanistan. What's better than facilitating your enemy fighting your other enemy?
Teacher: Pakistan and Afghanistan get along.
Lilly: Uh, no, they don't.
Teacher: Then why do they let us use their airspace?
Lilly: Did you just answer your OWN question? They don't like Pakistan. They don't like America. By letting America use their airspace, they sided with the power that could beat them in a war, AND they sent their enemy in to fight their enemy.
Teacher: Right, so they're our allies.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH US!!!?! So Jerry I could understand, he's a student, he needs to be TAUGHT the goingson in th world. But my teacher!!! Why do I even go to school?! BAHHHH!!!

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Actually, before the War on Terrorism, Pakistan and Afghanistan were indeed allies. That's why it was so tough on Pakistan, because the two countries had a mutually beneficial relationship (involving drug smuggling of everything). In fact, amny of teh Pakistani people still supported the Taliban whiel teh war was going on. Pakistan was basically strong-armed by the USA to lt us use their airspace and bases (not that I consider that a BAD thing!)

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I have difficulty swallowing the whole idea that the Taliban is suddenly evil in the eyes of the Bush Administration, when womens' groups have been talking about it for years. We've supported this government for years when we thought it could serve our purposes; now that its true colors have been seen, it supports terrorism! Wow! Whatta surprise!
Excellent point. I know people I talk to about politics had been trying to draw attention to the appalling treatment of women in Afghanistan ever since the Taliban came to power but it seemed that governments just didn't consider it a priority. Then as soon as there's another reason to attack the Taliban, the issue of Women's rights is suddenly front page news!

Still, I guess I shouldn't be suprised. Look at Iraq - US support right through the Iran-Iraq war, despite Saddam's use of poison gas on his own citizens during that time. The minute Iraq invades Kuwait, the west is suddenly aware of the atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein, despite the fact that they'd been going on (and were arguably more serious) during the time that support had been given to that country.
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I have difficulty swallowing the whole idea that the Taliban is suddenly evil in the eyes of the Bush Administration, when womens' groups have been talking about it for years.
And I find it amusing that some of the loudest protests against the war in Afghanistan, a war that has done nothing but good for Afghan women, have been from leaders of the SAME womens' groups.

But, of course, NOW's primary concern is women - certainly not liberalism.

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But, of course, NOW's primary concern is women - certainly not liberalism.
Huh? I never know what to think when "liberalism" is spat out like some dirty word to hide behind.

Anyway,
I'm not protesting the war, myself. I kinda wish that the Taliban hadn't been supported with my taxpayer dollars for so long, that's all.

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It just seems to me that a lot of groups (NOW, NAACP, PETA, etc.) champion liberalism more than what's probably best for the people or causes they represent. Ultimately, that wouldn't be such a problem if there wasn't the additional hypocrisy.

As leaders of womens' groups, many of those who protested and still protest the war SHOULD have at least recognized that the U.S. was taking actions that were finally beneficial to Afghan women. They didn't, and they should be called on it.
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And this is the key word, Bubba. What did it take for the men in charge here to finally notice what was going on there?

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Pakistan was basically strong-armed by the USA to lt us use their airspace and bases (not that I consider that a BAD thing!)

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That, and that Pakistan want the US to at least be closer to them then to India.
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Huh? I never know what to think when "liberalism" is spat out like some dirty word to hide behind.

Anyway,
I'm not protesting the war, myself. I kinda wish that the Taliban hadn't been supported with my taxpayer dollars for so long, that's all.
Umm, when did our tax money support the Taliban?
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