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Old 09-20-2005, 10:10 AM   #16
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and as a sobering reminder of the gun issue in the USA, someone was shot in the head exactly 3 blocks from where i live at 9:30 on a Saturday night as he was walking his dog.

bluntly, i'd rather get my butt kicked by a bunch of drunk hooligans than shot in the head by a lunatic with a gun in a country that has such a bizzarely fucked-up attitude towards gun ownership.
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Old 09-20-2005, 10:26 AM   #17
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Britain has a pub culture, it's no surprise there are so many fights.

Statistics all depend on what counts as a violent crime. I'd rather take my chances in the UK than in the US for example.

I think it's funny the relationship between England and the rest of the Uk is often misunderstood by a lot of people who don't live here.

I'm pretty sure that most of the fights in scotland were scottish v scottish, rather than scots v english

As for football rivalry, the scots always love to see the English doing badly & likewise, but if it came to the world cup, we always tend to get behind the other national sides.

funnily enough, the Welsh seem to be getting more anti English these days, whereas the English don't really care less what they're up to. sorry boyos.
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and as a sobering reminder of the gun issue in the USA, someone was shot in the head exactly 3 blocks from where i live at 9:30 on a Saturday night as he was walking his dog.

bluntly, i'd rather get my butt kicked by a bunch of drunk hooligans than shot in the head by a lunatic with a gun in a country that has such a bizzarely fucked-up attitude towards gun ownership.

You haven't been chased by a bunch of kilted men with bagpipes then!


umm

Stop yer wishful thinking, Irvine!!



Lovetown, I'm not going to dignify your amateur and naive summary with much more than...."The Brits" are Scottish, English and Welsh so your post doesn't really make much sense. Also, Scotland has the same pub culture as the north of England, Wales or Ireland. Therefore, as a Scot, I'm pretty offended by your posts. However, I won't resort to violence.


The Scottish violence is primarly sectarian (Celtic and Rangers, Catholics and Protestants) or within youth gangs. I've lived in Scotland all my life and I feel perfectly safe walking around in the wee hours. I feel far more safe here than I would down in London or Manchester, I can assure you that. You're not going to be jumped or mugged, folks.

Come to Scotland, it's great.

http://www.visitscotland.com/




EDITED to add:

I'm not saying that you're likely to be mugged in London or Manchester, I just constructed that last sentence a bit poorly.
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Old 09-20-2005, 10:39 AM   #19
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The report is likely based on a per captia measurement using an estimated number of violent incidents vs. official police records.


A good reminder that you can use statistics to say just about anything.

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Hmmm........ but when I do my really good "Sean Connery" (spelling) accent, that's still cool, right?

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I was driving home recently listening, as is my wont, to Radio Five Live. I like its mix of sport and news; I enjoy its whimsical and irreverent style. But the report I heard by James Shaw on the aftermath of the first Rangers/Celtic game of the 2003/4 season was neither whimsical nor irreverent.

“The Old Firm clash at Ibrox” began Shaw “passed without major incident, but behind the scenes the emergency services are dealing with the consequences of something like a low-level war between Rangers and Celtic fans.” Reporting from Monklands Hospital’s accident and emergency unit, on the border of what he described as “mainly Protestant Airdrie and Coatbridge which is historically Catholic”, Shaw went on to catalogue a horrifying list of injuries caused to Rangers and Celtic fans alike by a motley array of weaponry, including a broken bottle, baseball bats and a samurai sword.

What Shaw described was no isolated incident. Unison, many of whose members work in the National Health Service, has reported that on Old Firm match days admissions to accident and emergency units due to injuries caused by assault soar in many different parts of Scotland. The number of physical and verbal attacks on NHS staff also rises on the days of these games.

One of the saddest features of Shaw’s report was his comment that all of this mayhem goes “largely unreported by the media”. What kind of society have we become when we appear to tolerate the intolerable? Can you imagine the public outcry and media frenzy which would ensue if this level of violence was occurring on a regular basis between white and Asian youths? Or between Muslims and Hindus? So why are we so apparently blasé about violence between Catholics and Protestants?

Patently football alone is not responsible for all the sectarian ills in our society. The reality is however that so-called fans of both Rangers and Celtic continue to commit violent offences which are fuelled by sectarian hatred. The clubs themselves would claim to have taken action in recent years to reduce sectarian behaviour amongst their supporters. Celtic have had their Bhoys against Bigotry campaign and more recently Rangers launched their Pride over Prejudice campaign. These initiatives are laudable but clearly much more needs to be done.
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Come to Scotland, it's great.

http://www.visitscotland.com/

I'm coming eventually..............
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huh. I always felt quite safe as a lone female backpaper whilst in Scotland, be it Edinburgh, Glasgow or Glenfinnan. Safer than I have in most large American cities anyways.
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You weren't wearing your Rangers or Celtic shirt, that's why!
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Damn, now I know why! I was totally undercover.
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When visiting Scotland be safe and wear a Ross County shirt....then you'll be my best friend forever!

Then again, you'll get attacked by Inverness Caledonian fans! Damn, can't win.



Ewens rough guide to a non violent holiday in Scotland:

1) Don't talk about Scottish football.

2) Don't refer to anything in Scotland as 'English' unless it definitely is English. England is the country south of Scotland that is, along with Scotland and Wales, a part of Great Britain. If you mean British then say 'British' not 'English'. Scottish people are British, they won't be offended but they will be very offended at being called English.

3) Tell everyone you meet how fantastic the country is!

4) Spend lots of money.

5) Tell everyone that Sean Connery is your favourite actor.

6) Don't ask "do they put the [Edinburgh] castle up specially for the festival?" (yes, I was asked that by an American tourist and I replied "well, lets put it this way, it wasn't there yesterday!")


not a definitive list, but you should survive long enough to return to your homeland.
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5) Tell everyone that Sean Connery is your favourite actor.
Sean Connery apparently either delivered milk or served coffee to virtually everyone I talked to in Edinburgh when I visited.
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Tell them your Sean Connery story, Ewen!
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I live in the very street he grew up in, Fountainbridge...there's a disk on the wall of one of the buildings. Sean was indeed a milkman but way before my time. Anyways, I'm from the Highlands and only came down here to Edinburgh some 8 years ago.




At the risk of getting attacked by my fellow violent countrymen, I actually think Sean Connery is a bloody awful actor. But you being foreigners aren't allowed to say that! You have to like him or face the consequences
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