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http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/04/18/iraq-violence.html

At least 160 people were killed and dozens were wounded Wednesday in four bomb attacks in Baghdad, one of the deadliest waves of violence since the start of a joint U.S.-Iraqi security campaign in the capital two months ago.

In the deadliest of the attacks, a parked car bomb detonated in a crowd of workers at the Sadriyah market in a mostly Shia area of central Baghdad, killing at least 112 people and injuring 115, said Raad Muhsin, an official at Al-Kindi Hospital where the victims were taken.

A police official confirmed the toll, speaking to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

The bomb went off at about 4 p.m. local time, the time construction workers rebuilding shops in the market typically finish work each day. Many shops were destroyed in a previous bombing in February that killed 137 people.
 
i'm sure all those 160 people were grateful for their liberation from Saddam Hussein, right up until the moment their bodies were shredded by explosions.
 
It almost seems like you folks are actually celebrating this sort of news.

If that is ture - that is very poor judgement.
 
AEON said:
It almost seems like you folks are actually celebrating this sort of news.

If that is ture - that is very poor judgement.

It almost seems like you say that in every Iraq thread, yet there's never any basis for what you say...

Talk about poor judgement.
 
AEON said:
It almost seems like you folks are actually celebrating this sort of news.

If that is ture - that is very poor judgement.



i think that's what you need to think to retain any sort of moral superiority for supporting the people who fabricated perhaps the worst foreign policy mistake in American history that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi citizens.

but continue to blame "the left" -- better than living with the decisions made by the leaders you've elected.
 
The bomb went off at about 4 p.m. local time, the time construction workers rebuilding shops in the market typically finish work each day. Many shops were destroyed in a previous bombing in February that killed 137 people.

The same massacre repeated. How do people manage to keep going, it's heartbreaking. :(
 
33 people die on a college campus and the nation comes to a halt. it's horrifying. we mourn each and every senseless loss and wonder about the lives that could have been. we all feel the tragedy, fully and rightfully so.

and this happens every day in Iraq.
 
AEON said:
It almost seems like you folks are actually celebrating this sort of news.

If that is ture - that is very poor judgement.

I respect your loyalty

and you are in a very difficult situation.


The problem is that the only real plan the Administration and McCain have left is

A. failure in not an option


With that, bodies could just keep piling up for the next ten years.


Any objective analysis of the situation would have seen this outcome.

The Iraqis will have to resolved this themselves.
They will only stop killing each other when:

a. they want to
b. one side wins
c. the country breaks apart

A large U S presence only delays any of these resolutions and actually contributes to the chaos and killing.
 
Just one story I read today..

Colin Kennedy kissed the casket of his brother Army Sergeant Adam Kennedy at Knollwood Memorial Park in Canton

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by Brian MacQuarrie, Globe Staff | April 18, 2007

NORFOLK -- Honor, courage, determination, humor, friendship, and faith.

Those are the attributes that Army Sergeant Adam P. Kennedy represented to his brother Colin and six of the soldier's friends, who eulogized the Iraq casualty yesterday before several hundred mourners at St. Jude's Church.

"Adam was my best friend and also my hero," Colin Kennedy said from the pulpit. "He went out and lived his childhood dream."

When Colin Kennedy was finished and when all the tributes and consolations were over, Kennedy's relatives, friends, comrades, and neighbors stood at their pews and filled the overflowing church with the sound of a long, standing ovation.

Kennedy, 25, was killed April 8 when a roadside bomb ripped apart his Humvee about 25 miles southeast of Baghdad. A graduate of Xaverian Brothers High School in Westwood and Norwich University in Vermont, Kennedy had been in Iraq since October with the Fourth Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division.

Kennedy is the 51st member of the armed forces from Massachusetts to be killed in Iraq. Thirteen from the state have died in Afghanistan.

A football linebacker at Xaverian Brothers and a star weight lifter, Kennedy graduated first in his class from Army basic training after he was rejected by the Marines because of concussions he suffered while playing football.

Kennedy oversaw the security detail for the colonel commanding his brigade. Although the unit faced daily danger, including mortar attacks and roadside explosions, Kennedy kept his thoughts on Iraq even when he visited home on leave in December, his brother said.

"He felt the need and responsibility to get back to his troops," Colin Kennedy said.

Monsignor Peter Conley, who was principal celebrant for the funeral Mass, reminded the gathering of that sacrifice.

"Adam's death comes from our human freedom, which can be a blessing or a curse," Conley said. "Let it not be whispered that Adam Kennedy died in vain.

"This is a man who kept his promise, and it was a promise made to us," Conley said of Kennedy. "He did it unto death."

The mourners included Governor Deval Patrick, members of the military, and officers from local and State Police. A broadcast feed from the service was relayed to the church basement, which was used to accommodate part of the crowd on a cold, wet morning.

Jim Kennedy, the victim's uncle, urged the congregation to remember the soldier's special qualities and incorporate them into everyday life. "If you're not moved and you're not inspired by that kind of thing, then I'm not sure you're really breathing," he said.

David Errico, a family friend from Cocoa, Fla., who had introduced Kennedy's parents to one another, recalled the "beautiful little boy" he had watched grow into "the man he turned out to be."

"We knew that Adam was doing what he loved, but that doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it fair," Errico said in a tribute that focused on snatches of happy memories accumulated over 25 years.

After the Mass, to the sounds of "America the Beautiful," a military honor guard rolled the casket to the doors of the church, where the coffin was draped with an American flag.

Then, as a color guard faced the church in the rain, the casket was carried to a waiting hearse while bagpipers played "The Minstrel Boy," an old Irish lament for a young soldier who dies in battle.

Kennedy was buried at Knollwood Memorial Park in Canton. The funeral procession was escorted by police and the Patriot Guard Riders, veterans on motorcycles who attend the funerals of all US service members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
deep said:


I respect your loyalty

and you are in a very difficult situation.


The problem is that the only real plan the Administration and McCain have left is

A. failure in not an option


With that, bodies could just keep piling up for the next ten years.


Any objective analysis of the situation would have seen this outcome.

The Iraqis will have to resolved this themselves.
They will only stop killing each other when:

a. they want to
b. one side wins
c. the country breaks apart

A large U S presence only delays any of these resolutions and actually contributes to the chaos and killing.



very good post. this is quite lucid. i shouldn't have been quite as angry at AEON's post. i apologize for that.
 
Irvine511 said:
33 people die on a college campus and the nation comes to a halt. it's horrifying. we mourn each and every senseless loss and wonder about the lives that could have been. we all feel the tragedy, fully and rightfully so.


Please remember that V - Tech is the worse massacre on American soil

aside from the 9/11 attacks and Oklahoma City Bombing, of course




What is it children that falls from the sky ?
Tayi, taya, tayi, aye aye.
Mannah from Heaven from the most high,
Food from the father, tayi, taye aye.

We shall live again, we shall live again,
We shall live again, shake out the ghost dance.

Peace to your brother, give and take peace,
Tayi, taya, it leaves two feet
One foot extended, snake to the ground,
Wave up the Earth, one turn around.

We shall live again, we shall live again,
We shall live again, shake out the ghost dance.
 
Irvine511 said:

i think that's what you need to think to retain any sort of moral superiority for supporting the people who fabricated perhaps the worst foreign policy mistake in American history that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi citizens.

but continue to blame "the left" -- better than living with the decisions made by the leaders you've elected.
I think that there are those who can stand in solidarity with Iraqis and oppose both the Bush agenda and the terrorists; sadly it seems that most fall into opposing one and being essentially silent on the other.
 
A_Wanderer said:
I think that there are those who can stand in solidarity with Iraqis and oppose both the Bush agenda and the terrorists; sadly it seems that most fall into opposing one and being essentially silent on the other.



i think opposing the Bush agenda and the terrorists are one and the same, and i think both are shows of solidarity with Iraqis.
 
A_Wanderer said:
I think that there are those who can stand in solidarity with Iraqis and oppose both the Bush agenda and the terrorists; sadly it seems that most fall into opposing one and being essentially silent on the other.


"with Iraqis" I guess this means people that will follow the occupiers plan

"the terrorists" according to Turkey, many are in the North, and are Kurds, and we may have a pre-emtive attack by Turkey and Iran to root out these terrorist and their Weapons of Destruction


This is so muddled up.

Iraq is not game board with pieces to move about hoping for an outcome that is better for U. S. interests or U. S. allies. i. e. Israel.
 
yolland said:
What solution are you proposing, A_W?
I think that full partion into semi-belligerant states will be the end product (some faring better than others); I suppose to reach that with the least ammount of bloodshed will involve ceeding the south to Iranian influence and enabling ethnic cleansing by any other name to take place against the Sunnis.

Of course the Gulf States would have no interest in having Iran ready to go and will be backing an insurgency.
 
One solution I heard was:

Move U S forces (mostly) to Turkey and Jordan

Let the Iraqi Shia with Iran make their power play.

The Saudis, Jordanians, and other Sunnis will back the Iraqi Sunnis.

America can allow support to go to the Sunnis, (much like we did during Iraq / Iran War) and Iran and the Shiite revolution will be bogged down in Iraq, much like it was during the 80s.
 
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deep said:


I respect your loyalty

and you are in a very difficult situation.


The problem is that the only real plan the Administration and McCain have left is

A. failure in not an option


With that, bodies could just keep piling up for the next ten years.


Any objective analysis of the situation would have seen this outcome.

The Iraqis will have to resolved this themselves.
They will only stop killing each other when:

a. they want to
b. one side wins
c. the country breaks apart

A large U S presence only delays any of these resolutions and actually contributes to the chaos and killing.

Well - the bodies would pile up higher in our absence. But I do understand your points - and I actually agree with them in a sense. However, there are many people who will NOT ALLOW any good news from Iraq to be...well...good. Too many people seem married to the idea that America must lose to validate their displeasure for Bush.

I really wish Kerry had won the election. Because we’d still be there, maybe with even more troops (he said this was necessary), and the Left would have to finally share the intellectual burden of this war right alongside us "neo-cons."

BTW - JFK would be blasted as a Halliburton Imperialist if he gave his inaugural address to today's cynical Anti-American media.
 
trevster2k said:
The latest estimate for deaths from today's attack is 183 according to CBC. This is obscene.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6567329.stm

This article refers to pressure being put on Shia militia to retaliate against the Sunni community. Will it ever end?

I assume you are really mad at the people who actually blew up these Iraqi civilians...
 
AEON said:
Too many people seem married to the idea that America must lose to validate their displeasure for Bush.

You honestly think that? That some liberals actually want our country to lose just so we can point at Bush and say "I told you so" with some smug satisfaction?

Being able to see the reality that we are losing in many ways is not the same as wanting to lose. And simply shutting up about it and supporting the president will do absolutely nothing to improve the situation.

today's cynical Anti-American media.

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." - Edward R. Murrow
 
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AEON said:

and the Left would have to finally share the intellectual burden of this war right alongside us "neo-cons."

It sounds to me like it was the neo-cons themselves who locked everyone else out of the room.
 
AEON said:


I assume you are really mad at the people who actually blew up these Iraqi civilians...

How dare you insinuate I am posting for the thrill of it or support these actions.

I am refraining from expressing my outrage at your remarks cause I would probably be banned. I shall no longer respond nor read any of your postings on this board. I cannot respect your postings any longer.
 
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AEON said:
I really wish Kerry had won the election. Because we’d still be there, maybe with even more troops (he said this was necessary), and the Left would have to finally share the intellectual burden of this war right alongside us "neo-cons."
That may be, but the fact is he didn't, and there would still be anger about the pretenses under which the war was started in any case. It really doesn't make any sense to hold that against people who voted for Kerry, and especially people who opposed the war from the beginning. Of course they're going to see the present violence as emblematic of mistakes made. It's more a question of what's the most effective way to respond at this point, and clearly for many the answer to that is not Let's maintain the status quo and hope for improvements. I don't see where you're getting glee over the present violence out of that--it's not your place to tell people that it's immoral for them to see it as having been damningly avoidable.
 
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