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Old 04-18-2007, 04:31 PM   #16
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I think that there are those who can stand in solidarity with Iraqis and oppose both the Bush agenda and the terrorists; sadly it seems that most fall into opposing one and being essentially silent on the other.


i think opposing the Bush agenda and the terrorists are one and the same, and i think both are shows of solidarity with Iraqis.
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The latest estimate for deaths from today's attack is 183 according to CBC. This is obscene.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6567329.stm

This article refers to pressure being put on Shia militia to retaliate against the Sunni community. Will it ever end?
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What solution are you proposing, A_W?
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I think that there are those who can stand in solidarity with Iraqis and oppose both the Bush agenda and the terrorists; sadly it seems that most fall into opposing one and being essentially silent on the other.

"with Iraqis" I guess this means people that will follow the occupiers plan

"the terrorists" according to Turkey, many are in the North, and are Kurds, and we may have a pre-emtive attack by Turkey and Iran to root out these terrorist and their Weapons of Destruction


This is so muddled up.

Iraq is not game board with pieces to move about hoping for an outcome that is better for U. S. interests or U. S. allies. i. e. Israel.
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What solution are you proposing, A_W?
I think that full partion into semi-belligerant states will be the end product (some faring better than others); I suppose to reach that with the least ammount of bloodshed will involve ceeding the south to Iranian influence and enabling ethnic cleansing by any other name to take place against the Sunnis.

Of course the Gulf States would have no interest in having Iran ready to go and will be backing an insurgency.
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One solution I heard was:

Move U S forces (mostly) to Turkey and Jordan

Let the Iraqi Shia with Iran make their power play.

The Saudis, Jordanians, and other Sunnis will back the Iraqi Sunnis.

America can allow support to go to the Sunnis, (much like we did during Iraq / Iran War) and Iran and the Shiite revolution will be bogged down in Iraq, much like it was during the 80s.
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I respect your loyalty

and you are in a very difficult situation.


The problem is that the only real plan the Administration and McCain have left is

A. failure in not an option


With that, bodies could just keep piling up for the next ten years.


Any objective analysis of the situation would have seen this outcome.

The Iraqis will have to resolved this themselves.
They will only stop killing each other when:

a. they want to
b. one side wins
c. the country breaks apart

A large U S presence only delays any of these resolutions and actually contributes to the chaos and killing.
Well - the bodies would pile up higher in our absence. But I do understand your points - and I actually agree with them in a sense. However, there are many people who will NOT ALLOW any good news from Iraq to be...well...good. Too many people seem married to the idea that America must lose to validate their displeasure for Bush.

I really wish Kerry had won the election. Because we’d still be there, maybe with even more troops (he said this was necessary), and the Left would have to finally share the intellectual burden of this war right alongside us "neo-cons."

BTW - JFK would be blasted as a Halliburton Imperialist if he gave his inaugural address to today's cynical Anti-American media.
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The latest estimate for deaths from today's attack is 183 according to CBC. This is obscene.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6567329.stm

This article refers to pressure being put on Shia militia to retaliate against the Sunni community. Will it ever end?
I assume you are really mad at the people who actually blew up these Iraqi civilians...
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Too many people seem married to the idea that America must lose to validate their displeasure for Bush.
You honestly think that? That some liberals actually want our country to lose just so we can point at Bush and say "I told you so" with some smug satisfaction?

Being able to see the reality that we are losing in many ways is not the same as wanting to lose. And simply shutting up about it and supporting the president will do absolutely nothing to improve the situation.

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and the Left would have to finally share the intellectual burden of this war right alongside us "neo-cons."
It sounds to me like it was the neo-cons themselves who locked everyone else out of the room.
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I assume you are really mad at the people who actually blew up these Iraqi civilians...
How dare you insinuate I am posting for the thrill of it or support these actions.

I am refraining from expressing my outrage at your remarks cause I would probably be banned. I shall no longer respond nor read any of your postings on this board. I cannot respect your postings any longer.
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I really wish Kerry had won the election. Because we’d still be there, maybe with even more troops (he said this was necessary), and the Left would have to finally share the intellectual burden of this war right alongside us "neo-cons."
That may be, but the fact is he didn't, and there would still be anger about the pretenses under which the war was started in any case. It really doesn't make any sense to hold that against people who voted for Kerry, and especially people who opposed the war from the beginning. Of course they're going to see the present violence as emblematic of mistakes made. It's more a question of what's the most effective way to respond at this point, and clearly for many the answer to that is not Let's maintain the status quo and hope for improvements. I don't see where you're getting glee over the present violence out of that--it's not your place to tell people that it's immoral for them to see it as having been damningly avoidable.
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