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Old 07-06-2005, 01:57 PM   #16
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Some of you people have short memories, or are ignorant of history.

Dissent, including violent dissent (although describing these protests as 'violent' is over the top), has been a powerful force for change in history.

So a few coppers got eggs thrown at them, big fucking deal.

I am aware that standards have slipped a little in Washington in recent years following the Bushco takeover of the American government but in parts of Europe we still have this old-fashioned idea that dissent is tolerated.
I have no problem whatsoever with dissent. Believe me, I quite value the ability to protest, and would be uber pissed if anybody tried to take that right away from me.

It's just that protests that involve people clashing and having things thrown at others and pushing people and all that to the point where some get injurec and things along that line don't really help the problem, it only seems to make things worse, it makes people unable to take the protesters seriously.

Protest all you want, I won't stand in your way (hell, depending on the cause, I'll join you), just try to avoid getting physically aggresive. That's all.

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Some of you people have short memories, or are ignorant of history.

Dissent, including violent dissent (although describing these protests as 'violent' is over the top), has been a powerful force for change in history.

So a few coppers got eggs thrown at them, big fucking deal.

I am aware that standards have slipped a little in Washington in recent years following the Bushco takeover of the American government but in parts of Europe we still have this old-fashioned idea that dissent is tolerated.
If I bitch-slapped you in the name of dissent, would you accept that as a historically important event?

My guess is that it is easy to accept this violence when you are not affected by it.
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Some of you people have short memories, or are ignorant of history.

Dissent, including violent dissent (although describing these protests as 'violent' is over the top), has been a powerful force for change in history.

So a few coppers got eggs thrown at them, big fucking deal.

I am aware that standards have slipped a little in Washington in recent years following the Bushco takeover of the American government but in parts of Europe we still have this old-fashioned idea that dissent is tolerated.
The problem with dissent is that it starts ramping up and it is then very hard to put a limit on it.

I will give you the Argentine example, which is very close to me, and involves people destroying public buildings, entering embassies, shutting down casinos and asking hotels to finance the 'dissenters' movements.

These people got to the extreme of calling themselves 'picketeers', and now all they do is mess up Buenos Aires' traffic, preventing 'real' workers from getting to work on time. These picketeers do not even have a job and all they do is wander the streets protesting for absolutely anything.

Here's a couple of pictures of them (their outfit was designed by a famous Argentine clothes designer, which they sell it at their 'shops'):

1) Their own private 'security'



2) Destroying Buenos Aires' congress house



They are a true embarassment to Argentine society. Due to this, I am a firm believer in peaceful dissent and in controlling it strictly.

You know how it begins. You do not know how it ends.
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The media is at fault too. They say small groups of protestors break off to confront the police. Well, why not focus on the majority who are marching in peace? Oh yeah, it's not newsworthy unless there are ridiculously huge numbers of people. And the message gets lost or written off as being supported by a bunch of psychos.

I do agree with the authorities keeping the protesters away from the leaders. All it would take is one nutjob ( I'm sure there are a tiny number out there amongst the protesters) to physically harm a leader and that would be the end of protests, marchs, every form of public dissent in the future. But I don't agree with some of the violence inflicted by police on people who are merely standing or sitting.
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These groups seem to have plenty of money to travel the globe to G8 meeting sites and organize their protests. Perhaps this money could be better directed.
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Some of you people have short memories, or are ignorant of history.

Dissent, including violent dissent (although describing these protests as 'violent' is over the top), has been a powerful force for change in history.

So a few coppers got eggs thrown at them, big fucking deal.

I am aware that standards have slipped a little in Washington in recent years following the Bushco takeover of the American government but in parts of Europe we still have this old-fashioned idea that dissent is tolerated.
The Irish guy condoning violence, now THERE'S a surprise.........
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The Irish guy condoning violence, now THERE'S a surprise.........
That's just completely uncalled for, what an asshole remark.
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You rarely get respect by throwing water bombs of urine at police and vandalising property.

Let them march and be violent; but when they break the law they have to face the concequences.
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I also, understand the frustration of the protesters. I feel it too. Everytime, nothing is being done to help the world's poorest. But, I wouldn't go about smashing a working class folk's car windows, damaging property or their business. Violence is not the answer. And didn't Bob Geldolfm, plus Bono, ask all protest to be more supportive of the G 8 Summit? Not to allianate, the leaders who are attending....

And before someone jumps on my back. I am also disappointed from what I have read in the press. It seems, at least to me, not much is going to change. We will just have to work harder. Especially, when it comes time to vote!
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agreed, BonoVoxSupastar.

Still, there is NOTHING TO BE GAINED FOR AFRICA by wanton violence at the G8 meeting.

The real losers of this violence is the thousands of more Africans who will lose their lives from extreme poverty due to the wanton violence of those who probably have never known poverty in their lives. (the protesters)

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That's just completely uncalled for, what an asshole remark.
Better an asshole remark, than an asshole remark which is also wrong, you know, like, um, let's see...

"So a few coppers got eggs thrown at them, big fucking deal."
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Better an asshole remark, than an asshole remark which is also wrong, you know, like, um, let's see...

"So a few coppers got eggs thrown at them, big fucking deal."
So stereotyping all Irish as being violent isn't wrong? Wow I'd love to grow up in your household...
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The Irish guy condoning violence, now THERE'S a surprise.........
I've said on here numerous times that I am opposed to the Provos, maybe you missed that.

I think it's pretty clear to most on here that this guy is just a troll, along with being an anti-Irish bigot (surprising that someone like that is a U2 fan, but anyway) or at least that most of his contributions to FYM are in the category of trollish posts.

Not even worth responding to this crap.
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Don't claim to be such a victim considering some of the posts/threads you've added here.
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Don't claim to be such a victim considering some of the posts/threads you've added here.
What posts or threads?

When have I insulted an entire race on here?

Please enlighten me.
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