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Old 02-27-2007, 04:45 PM   #76
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Yes, our beer is terrible, we only have a short 200 or so years of history to admire, no one knows how to prepare schnitzel, and we have dreadfully slow speed limits on our highways.

Still, not so bad.
Social security to the minimum, huge costs for higher education, health insurance only when you have the money, hire and fire, less holidays per year, way more murderers each year...

Believe me, not everybody dreams of living in the USA.
You have some beautiful landscape, some nice products and inventions, wonderful people, and so on. Still I prefer the US as a place to make holidays or spent some limited years of my life. For the rest my dream is rather Australia than the USA.
You can make a good living outside the US, and it's funny when some exchange students come back to telling you that hey got asked questions like, "do you have electricity/running water/TV in Germany?" and such.

Regarding the history: Our history started in 1945, on May 9.

All the history before still is the second world war.
Many people really don't get any further than that time.
So 200 years is quite a time of history.
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Medeval vs. current times? SUV vs covered wagons?

Seriously, this is what you guys come up with?
New York City will flood and all the polar bears will die if we don't hand over control of our economy to the U.N.

Scare tactics and panic. Is that the best you guys can come up with?
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[...]enjoy the greatest standard of living in the history or the planet Earth. I'm proud of that.
a great percentage of your own population would disagree.
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I don't understand how anyone can be AGAINST wanting to make things better and cleaner? Please, someone, explain to me what you could possible feel is a valid reason to not wanting to improve the environment?
I'm not going to get an answer, am I?
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I'm curious if you plan on adding to the discussion or if you think an electricity bill speaks for itself.

I'm sure I could find a bill from your past and twist it into hypocricy as well.
When one of the most popular preachers in the US gets caught buying drugs and perhaps paying for homosexual sex – that pastor loses credibility. When a public figure like Al Gore gets exposed for living a life completely contrary to what he preaches, he loses credibility.

I don’t think we expect Mr. Gore to be living in a hemp shack in the woods eating Trader Joe’s Moonberry Jelly. However, I think we should expect Mr. Gore to be a vanguard of the “green” lifestyle (electric car, cutting edge solar power at home...etc).
Is that unfair? Perhaps. But that is another debate.

I will give him some credit however. His invention of the Internet has cut down on much of the military paperwork I used to have to carry around. Now it is all in my AKO account. Thanks Mr. Gore!
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New York City will flood and all the polar bears will die if we don't hand over control of our economy to the U.N.

Scare tactics and panic. Is that the best you guys can come up with?
Well, it works for White House. Everyone should get a fair shake.
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New York City will flood and all the polar bears will die if we don't hand over control of our economy to the U.N.

Scare tactics and panic. Is that the best you guys can come up with?
Well whenever anyone states either one of those, come talk to me.

Until then all I see are some folks speaking out of context and little to no facts.
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And what is Gore using his household for, how many employees are working from his house, etc...
I thought I read somewhere that a lot of his work on this issue is done at home, and that quite a few people who work for him assist there. That was a while ago, though, so my memory might be hazy.

But if that were the case, and he had a group of people who worked for him there, then wouldn't a better comparison be his house vs. where each one of us works?

I'll bet a gazillion bucks the place that I work at consumes a hell of a lot more energy than Gore's place.
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I'm not going to get an answer, am I?
from the point of view of society, - yes an improved environment is good. but the individual economic agent is egoistic and chooses his own profits over the common values, such as the environment.
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Al Gore has taught us alot, whatever his electrical bill is.
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a great percentage of your own population would disagree.
I can put you down as feeling "guilty" then?
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I'm not going to get an answer, am I?
Nope... It pretty much boils down to:

a. It's too hard, the world is already doomed anyhow, it's somebody else's fault, school of thinking

or the always popular (and my personal favourite):

b. There is no proof, I don't believe you, don't make me give up my watefull lifestyle attitude...
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I can put you down as feeling "guilty" then?
guilty of what?
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When one of the most popular preachers in the US gets caught buying drugs and perhaps paying for homosexual sex – that pastor loses credibility. When a public figure like Al Gore gets exposed for living a life completely contrary to what he preaches, he loses credibility.

Once again you avoid the question by stating your opening statement all over again. It's a little habit of yours.

Show me how context may clear up paying for sex and drugs. Can't do it, can you?

My point is you're trying really hard to paint a picture of a hypocrite because it fits your agenda, but you don't have all the facts.
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I thought I read somewhere that a lot of his work on this issue is done at home, and that quite a few people who work for him assist there. That was a while ago, though, so my memory might be hazy.

But if that were the case, and he had a group of people who worked for him there, then wouldn't a better comparison be his house vs. where each one of us works?

I'll bet a gazillion bucks the place that I work at consumes a hell of a lot more energy than Gore's place.
Yes but sometimes a grainy out of focus picture helps those who want to find fault.
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