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Old 02-28-2007, 12:43 PM   #211
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Ever been to the Netherlands? They licked that problem a long time ago.

Anyway, don't believe every hyped threat about rising sea levels and accompanying computer animated cartoon that's throw at us. They're just that.
Of course you don't have to care.

Why should you care about the earth in the 2060's, right?
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Old 02-28-2007, 12:54 PM   #212
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I would think that as a Canadian you might actually see an upside to global warming. Most of your population lives near your southern border because the upper regions of the Northern hemisphere are climatically extreme for humans right? Imagine the new frontiers that global warming might bring to your country.

Your short sightedness on this topic is remarkable. Visiting Hawaii is a treat, their ecosystem has adapted to such a climate. Climate change is not simply global warming and having warmer weather for people to have fun in the sun. Climatic changes in Canada are already having a negative effect on the Inuit, ice thicknesses on lakes used for highways in the north to connect communities which are inaccessible by roads are thinner and occur for shorter periods of time affecting the ability of these communities to receive supplies, pests like the pine beetle are moving further and further north decimating our forests because it is no longer cold enough to kill their larvae in the winter thus having a negative on the forest industry, oil and gas exploration in the north is facing new challenges in exploring due to the warmer weather as many areas where they work need frozen ground to be able to drive into the bush and search. Some of our water resources are being diminished by melting of glacial ice too. The ground in northern Canada is mush,bog, soft thus frozen land makes it easier for the people of northern Canada. I am not a big fan of seals but some are suggesting lack of sea ice will have a negative impact on the birth of seals as significant numbers may drown if the ice isn't thick enough for females to have their pups.

Canada along with the Nordic European nations and Russia will definitely be among the first to feel the effects of climate change. Drought and water shortages in the coming decades will be effects we will all feel.
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Ever been to the Netherlands? They licked that problem a long time ago.

Anyway, don't believe every hyped threat about rising sea levels and accompanying computer animated cartoon that's throw at us. They're just that.
This coming from someone who believes the conspiracy theories of the paranoid ultra-right?
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Of course you don't have to care.

Why should you care about the earth in the 2060's, right?
Is that what I'm saying? I don't care? No, I'm saying that let's not pretend that life on the planet Earth isn't full of change. Most of it very unexpected. Most of it completely out of our control.

Change, a problem or an opportunity?
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Is that what I'm saying? I don't care? No, I'm saying that let's not pretend that life on the planet Earth isn't full of change. Most of it very unexpected. Most of it completely out of our control.

Change, a problem or an opportunity?
So you care.... You just don't want to do anything about it?
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Old 02-28-2007, 01:30 PM   #216
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Your short sightedness on this topic is remarkable. Visiting Hawaii is a treat, their ecosystem has adapted to such a climate. Climate change is not simply global warming and having warmer weather for people to have fun in the sun. Climatic changes in Canada are already having a negative effect on the Inuit, ice thicknesses on lakes used for highways in the north to connect communities which are inaccessible by roads are thinner and occur for shorter periods of time affecting the ability of these communities to receive supplies, pests like the pine beetle are moving further and further north decimating our forests because it is no longer cold enough to kill their larvae in the winter thus having a negative on the forest industry, oil and gas exploration in the north is facing new challenges in exploring due to the warmer weather as many areas where they work need frozen ground to be able to drive into the bush and search. Some of our water resources are being diminished by melting of glacial ice too. The ground in northern Canada is mush,bog, soft thus frozen land makes it easier for the people of northern Canada. I am not a big fan of seals but some are suggesting lack of sea ice will have a negative impact on the birth of seals as significant numbers may drown if the ice isn't thick enough for females to have their pups.

Canada along with the Nordic European nations and Russia will definitely be among the first to feel the effects of climate change. Drought and water shortages in the coming decades will be effects we will all feel.
Actually, that's very interesting. Thanks for spending the time to post that information.

Let me assume for a minute that Al Gore is 100% correct. That it's true when he says "the world has 10 years or less to turn things around before it is too late."
Canada would have to reduce it's CO(2) emissions by one third to meet it's Kyoto target by 2012. (You can look it up)
Is that possible? And even Kyoto Protocol advocates admit that if fully implemented, it would affect global temps by less than 1/10 of a degree. In fact, we may need 30 Kyotos to make a real difference.
Frankly, I don't think we can afford to fix global-warming at this time even if we had the political will, so in the short run, wouldn't adaptation strategies make more sense, until we have the technology needed?
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Actually, that's very interesting. Thanks for spending the time to post that information.

Let me assume for a minute that Al Gore is 100% correct. That it's true when he says "the world has 10 years or less to turn things around before it is too late."
Canada would have to reduce it's CO(2) emissions by one third to meet it's Kyoto target by 2012. (You can look it up)
Is that possible? And even Kyoto Protocol advocates admit that if fully implemented, it would affect global temps by less than 1/10 of a degree. In fact, we may need 30 Kyotos to make a real difference.
Frankly, I don't think we can afford to fix global-warming at this time even if we had the political will, so in the short run, wouldn't adaptation strategies make more sense, until we have the technology needed?
When Gore said "turn things around before it's too late" did he mean those goals must be met within 10 years? Or steps to make those goals within the next 10 years?
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The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude.

Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this "eco-friendly" dwelling use about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.

A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem.

No, this is not the home of some eccentrically wealthy eco-freak trying to shame his fellow citizens into following the pristineness of his self-righteous example. And no, it is not the wilderness retreat of the Sierra Club or the Natural Resources Defense Council, a haven where tree-huggers plot political strategy.

This is President George W. Bush's "Texas White House" outside the small town of Crawford.
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0429-03.htm
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When Gore said "turn things around before it's too late" did he mean those goals must be met within 10 years? Or steps to make those goals within the next 10 years?
Doesn't matter, at this point in time we can't make the changes really necessary, even if we wanted, because of economics.

Unless you want to handcuff our economy, lose jobs and deprive the planets most impoverished citizens a chance to access electricity and other modern technologies.
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Too bad he hasn't learned anything from his house.
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Doesn't matter, at this point in time we can't make the changes really necessary, even if we wanted, because of economics.

Unless you want to handcuff our economy, lose jobs and deprive the planets most impoverished citizens a chance to access electricity and other modern technologies.
It does matter, there's a big difference.

And we can make the changes, where are you getting this information that we can't due to economics?
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Did you catch melon's link a page up, indra? 100% of the Gore household's power is green and renewable. Something that was conspicuously absent from the original article.
No I didn't. As I mentioned in my post the thread moved very fast yesterday and not having time to read through it all I just based my post on what was in the initial post.
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It does matter, there's a big difference.

And we can make the changes, where are you getting this information that we can't due to economics?
Some guy from Exxon paid me to say it.
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Some guy from Exxon paid me to say it.
I'm being serious. Are you just making this up or do you have any info?
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