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Old 09-08-2007, 11:36 PM   #16
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[q]He is more than pleased with America's inability to achieve peace in Iraq. He likens it to Breschnev and Russia's failure in Afghanistan.[/q]



and he's absolutely right about this one.

it might not be rational, but i'm not taking the Metro to work this coming Tuesday. so be it.
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hrrmmm...

its obviously a PR video (like someone else said) but hrm.... I don't know, I feel nothing when I see this video -it doesn't scare me, or particularly worry me.

I mean there is always going to be shit going on - and I REALLY doubt anything is going to happen on the anniversary. They trot out that shite every year, and for 6 years nothing has happened.

I think the strongest, best thing anyone can do, is to ignore him. Don't live in fear and what ifs, don't get all panicy when someone accidently forgets their bag, don't stare down some turban wearing person just to let him know 'you mean business'
all this fear mongering is exactly what Osama and Bush want. They want to keep us in jittery fear, crying to our leaders to protect us.

No warnings have ever been issued for other attacks, and frankly, I doubt they will in the future. Be safe, think about what you're doing, but lets not be paranoid. Its just playing their game.
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WASHINGTON - Osama Bin Laden isn't hiding in caves. He's almost certainly living in a cozy compound in Pakistan guarded by a few loyal fanatics, a dozen terror experts and intel officials told the Daily News.

The group of veteran Bin Laden hunters say the cave-dwelling myth is one of many tall tales about the Al Qaeda kingpin, including reports that the renegade Saudi is dying of kidney disease.

Six years after the 9/11 attacks, many Americans don't understand why he's so hard to find and kill. Frustrated agents say he skulks across some of the most hostile terrain in the world and that Pakistan refuses to let U.S. troops chase him there.

The futility of efforts to permanently silence Bin Laden was brought home Friday when he released his first video message since 2004, a 26-minute, anti-U.S. diatribe.

In the jagged peaks of the Afghan-Pakistani border, a good Bin Laden hideout typically would be a simple adobe house surrounded by a high mud-brick wall - perfect for defending a monster.

"He's probably not living in a cave," said Robert Grenier, the ex-CIA Pakistan station chief who helped topple the Taliban after 9/11 and chased Bin Laden afterward.

"He's probably living in a fairly comfortable, though Spartan, compound somewhere in northern Pakistan," Grenier said.

All of those interviewed by The News - including several top intelligence officials with the highest security clearances - agreed.

President Bush and Vice President Cheney long perpetuated the legend that Bin Laden was living in a cave to support their claims the terror mastermind had been neutralized.

"Look, it's hard to plan, plot and attack if you're running or hiding in a cave," Bush said at a GOP fund-raiser last October.

The White House finally stopped using the cave-dwelling myth after that.

Paul Pillar, the CIA's top counterterrorism analyst until 2005, said, "I think 'cave' has become a metaphor."

Bin Laden is more a ghost than a bat.

After a 1998 missile strike failed to kill him, analysts believed he "never stayed anywhere more than a few days," Pillar said.

But since he escaped his Tora Bora mountain lair in late 2001, experts say Bin Laden likely has stayed put in a new hideout with a tiny band of die-hard bodyguards, not an army of them.

"He's probably not moving a lot - if ever," Grenier said.

"If and when he moves," a senior U.S. intelligence official told The News, "it's with a handful of people to keep the footprint small and not attract attention."

Another myth is that Bin Laden needs constant kidney dialysis, which author Peter Bergen, who first interviewed him in 1997, called "nonsense" last year in his book "The Osama Bin Laden I Know."

However, Saudi intelligence now thinks Bin Laden is sick with some other ailment, said ex-CIA counterterror chief Vincent Cannistraro.

There also is a consensus that he's protected by Pakistani tribesmen or government agents in tribal areas and communicates by courier, using "cutouts" who don't read the message or know its author. Years ago, Al Qaeda No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri "handed out cash to tribal elders" to protect Bin Laden's thugs, said Robert Pelton, who wrote about the hunt for the pair in the 2006 book "Licensed to Kill."

Recent fighting in Afghanistan with foreign fighters pushed out of Pakistan suggests Al Qaeda has run out of payoff money, he said.

One of Bin Laden's likely protectors is famed mujahedeen Jalaluddin Haqqani, a Pashtun ally and Taliban military genius. Haqqani maintains the outer ring of his security while loyal Arabs make up the inner ring, a counterterror agent in Afghanistan told The News.
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there is always going to be shit going on - and I REALLY doubt anything is going to happen on the anniversary. They trot out that shite every year, and for 6 years nothing has happened.
And I know it's becoming passe, but every couple of months we see yet another plot thwarted. I think we need to pay more attention to those working against them, offer them true respect, and ensure we don't take that effort for granted as a body of citizens in a war against such people.
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I found this survey of Muslims very interesting:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L09185229.htm

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DUBAI, Sept 9 (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden's first video in almost three years has drawn enthusiastic support from al Qaeda supporters but other Muslims in the Arab world seem less impressed, and wary of new violence.

Marking the sixth anniversary of the group's Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on U.S. cities, the Saudi-born militant described the United States as vulnerable, a message some of his followers saw as a sign a new operation might be approaching.

Analysts were divided as to whether the appearance was intended to inspire new attacks.

Although bin Laden made no specific threat, many Islamist bloggers echoed a conclusion drawn by a moderator of an al Qaeda-linked Web forum: "The coming strike is inevitable, God willing."

Many repeated the same phrase verbatim, while others expressed happiness at seeing bin Laden, who is widely believed to be hiding out in mountains on the Afghan-Pakistan border.

"Oh, worshippers of the cross ... you will not have time to understand what is happening to you. Your arrogance will not help you, nor will the lies of your media when you see the news with your own eyes," wrote a blogger using the alias al-Yaqoubi.

Another wrote: "I would sacrifice my mother and father for you, my sheikh. Strike, may God guide your aim and that of your soldiers. Strike and bring pleasure to the hearts of Muslims."

In the video called the "the solution" by al Qaeda's media arm, bin Laden urged Americans to ditch capitalist democracy and embrace Islam if they want to end the war in Iraq.

He appeared in Arab robes rather than the military style combat fatigues he has favoured in the past.

"NOT SERIOUS"

A shopkeeper in Cairo, who gave his name as only as Mohamed, said bin Laden's call was not serious.

"I think his call for the West to convert to Islam is a prelude for him to issue new threats against them. He will then say 'I had offered you peace by asking you to convert' to justify the threats."

Several Muslims, while strongly oppose U.S. policies in Muslim countries, said they were against any operation similar to the 9/11 attacks which killed about 3,000 people.

"Attacks will never solve any problem; they will only make them worse," said Mohammad Hasan, an Egyptian civil engineer. "He attacked before. What was the result? Wars and suffering for Muslims all over the world."

Al Qaeda leaders say their "holy war" against Western powers is chiefly in retaliation for U.S. support for Israel at the expense of Arabs over the past six decades, and more recently over the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Hilal, a Palestinian living in the UAE, commented on bin Laden's video: "It is very difficult to say anything about him. He talks about issues that are very important and true but the way he wants to fix them is not right.

"I hear him and say 'I wish an Arab leader would be so focused on Arab issues', but I disagree with killing innocent people."

Abdel-A'la Nawwara, a lawyer in Egypt, said the appearance of bin Laden "proves that the Americans cannot get him. He has strong fortifications and they are unlikely to reach him." (Additional reporting by Alaa Shahine in Cairo)
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i don't think this is him in the video.
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Another article said that analysis of the video showed that it was his voice, so I would guess it's him (if they didn't lie).
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He says the Democrats who now control the US Congress have failed to stop the war, and even "continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there."
I would have to agree with him there.
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So they're getting ready to release another sort of audio tape from him today or tomorrow according to news alerts. As important as it is to know what's going on, does anyone else find it really annoying that he has this type of control over our news media? Is it not exactly what he wants to be plastered on tv's across America spouting his message? Why do we give him the satisfaction?
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Apparently they are going to play another "last testament" of a 5th hi-jacker. All 18 must have made these tapes. We've got 13 more years of this bullshit.
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We will get bin Laden: White House

Sep 11 02:54 PM US/Eastern

The White House vowed Tuesday the United States would capture elusive Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden as it marked the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

US President George W. Bush has pledged "he'd like to find him. He said all along: we are going to find him."
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In Iraq?
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In Iraq?
Well of course in Iraq. Thats why we are there, because it has connections with bin Laden and 9/11.






















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Oh, yeah. Forgot.



Good one.
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In Iraq?
No-at the local CVS near a cave in Afghanistan, in the haircolor aisle. They have narrowed it down after analyzing the video- he uses Nice and Easy #10, burnt sienna.

I just can't help but find it hilarious that they colored his hair in order to make him younger and more potent looking. Unless they just did that with the video.
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