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Old 03-27-2006, 06:18 PM   #46
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I'm not going to believe there's a furry blue moose eating macaroni on top of my house til someone gives me evidence. Atheism isn't a positive belief, it's a lack of one. I don't see why people can't grasp that concept.

I love when religious folk overcome their differences and profess to be oh-so tolerant because "we all believe in the same god."

The whole idea of atheists trying to destroy religious celebrations is a myth. Of course there're a few in every group who think everyone should think as they do. But it's largely Christians in the US anyway who manage to work their beliefs into actual legislation that actually affects people.
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I'm not going to believe there's a furry blue moose eating macaroni on top of my house til someone gives me evidence. Atheism isn't a positive belief, it's a lack of one. I don't see why people can't grasp that concept.

I love when religious folk overcome their differences and profess to be oh-so tolerant because "we all believe in the same god."

The whole idea of atheists trying to destroy religious celebrations is a myth. Of course there're a few in every group who think everyone should think as they do. But it's largely Christians in the US anyway who manage to work their beliefs into actual legislation that actually affects people.
We're going to elect a guy governor in my state this year who's built his entire political career on the premise that Christians are being persecuted. You know Roy Moore, the Ten Commandments judge? If he gets elected I'm going to be one unhappy citizen.
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Old 03-27-2006, 06:25 PM   #48
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You live in Alabama, right? I'm right next to you in Georgia. Anal sex is illegal here (last I heard).
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Yes, I live in Alabama.
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Your posted article says nothing about discrimination, simply opinions from those polled. I'm surprised you seem to advocate regulating the way people think.


[q]"That time and place, it turns out, is 2005 Michigan, where a modern Shelley might be denied custody based partly on his 'not regularly attend[ing] church and present[ing] no evidence demonstrating any willingness or capacity to attend to religion with [his children],' or having a 'lack of religious observation.' It's 1992 South Dakota, where Shelley might have been given custody but only on condition that he 'will agree to present a plan to the Court of how [he] is going to commence providing some sort of spiritual opportunity for the [children] to learn about God while in [his] custody.' It's 2005 Arkansas, 2002 Georgia, 2005 Louisiana, 2004 Minnesota, 2005 Mississippi, 1992 New York, 2005 North Carolina, 1996 Pennsylvania, 2004 South Carolina, 1997 Tennessee, 2000 Texas, and, going back to the 1970s and 1980s, Alabama, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, Iowa, Montana, and Nebraska. In 2000, the Mississippi Supreme Court ordered a mother to take her child to church each week, reasoning that 'it is certainly to the best interests of [the child] to receive regular and systematic spiritual training'; in 1996, the Arkansas Supreme Court did the same, partly on the grounds that weekly church attendance, rather than just the once-every-two-weeks attendance that the child would have had if he went only with the other parent, provides superior 'moral instruction.'"

http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/custody.pdf
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and i don't know where i've advocated any sort of regulation for how people think. i'm merely pointing out that notions of religious "tolerance" and "diversity" and "freedom of expression" only travel so far, and that atheists are unfairly discriminated against in our society.
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Ahem is there any chance we keep debates over gay rights out of this?


um, you know, i try, and i didn't mention a word about gay rights until someone else brought it up, but whenever i post on something it seems like people are forever trying to drag in posts i've made on other threads to draw parallels, no matter how weak or strained.

however, i don't care what the thread is, if it smells like homophobia, i'm going to call it out.
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I'm not going to believe there's a furry blue moose eating macaroni on top of my house til someone gives me evidence. Atheism isn't a positive belief, it's a lack of one. I don't see why people can't grasp that concept..

Exactly!
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Oops, sorry, financeguy, I shouldn't have mentioned the gay thing in my post.
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Excluding and labeling groups of people are the slave tags of present day. The Christian majority obviously has two sets of teachings - God's ideas and the religious club's ideas.
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i'm merely pointing out that notions of religious "tolerance" and "diversity" and "freedom of expression" only travel so far, and that atheists are unfairly discriminated against in our society.
Crocodile tears when you readily denounce the rights of other groups freedom of expression or inclusion in "diversity" events.

Let's try and use consistent principles here.
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Let's try and use consistent principles here.
I agree. I hope you'll be inviting atheist speakers to denounce Christianity at your next worship service.

If that happens, I'll consider the idea of inviting "ex-gays" to a diversity event.

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I'm sorry, I didn't realize "diversity" was so limited in scope.
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize "diversity" was so limited in scope.
It's okay. I'll understand if you didn't realize that "consistent principles" means that Christians have to live by the same standards that they put on everyone else.

So if, by definition, "diversity" means allowing people who hate homosexuals a voice, I'd like to hope that Christians are diverse enough to give "ex-Christians" a turn at the pulpit. It's only fair.

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It's okay. I'll understand if you didn't realize that "consistent principles" means that Christians have to live by the same standards that they put on everyone else.

So if, by definition, "diversity" means allowing people who hate homosexuals a voice, I'd like to hope that Christians are diverse enough to give "ex-Christians" a turn at the pulpit. It's only fair.

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You should think about the idea of consistent principles before drawing poor analogies.

If the subject of a meeting is homosexuality, then I wouldn't expect ex-gays to be included.

If the subject of a meeting is Christianity, I wouldn't expect other religions to be included.

If the subject of a meeting is diversity, I wouldn't expect groups to be eliminated.
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but, anyway, this thread is about atheism.

what do you think about atheism as a means to determine who is a better parent?
Looks like this thread has strayed pretty far from the discussion Irvine intended.
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