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Old 12-07-2001, 03:47 AM   #16
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3.) The young man in question then lied to his father about visiting Pakistan and instead joined Al-Qaida forces in Afghanistan. Reports indicate that he was involved in terrorist attacks in Kashmir. Al-Quaida has repeatedly made known their goal to kill Westerners, particularly Americans. Walker himself has admitted that he saw Osama Bin-Laden several times.
Walker joined the Taliban not Al-Queda.

And a hell of a lot of people have seen Osama Bin Laden. Does that make them all terrorists, too? Should we arrest reporters who have interviewed him?

Walker did not actively seek out Osama Bin Laden, he saw Bin Laden as he passed through the Taliban training camps.

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So, to summarize: Walker is a radical Islamic terrorist at war with the United States. Did he actually fire his AK-47 at an American soldier? I have no idea but it's irrelevant.
Irrelevant because it is easier to convict people of crimes based on the thoughts in their heads than by their actions.
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This is not all that complicated.
Its pretty complicated. Direct quote via CNN from Kenneth Starr, former US independent counsel, "I think it's going to be an ultimate kind of judgment call, frankly, at the highest levels of government. I think it could go either way."

Looks like he doesn't think its not going to be as cut and dry as you think.

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this was in the ny post this morning.


TRAGIC CIA HERO GRILLED THE RAT

By JOHN LEHMANN
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December 7, 2001 -- American Taliban fighter John Walker refused to cooperate with CIA man Johnny "Mike" Spann in an extraordinary face-to-face confrontation only hours before the agent was killed in a bloody prison riot staged by the turncoat and his cohorts.
Walker, 20, remained sullen and speechless as Spann and another agent, known only as "Dave," asked him to help provide information during an interrogation at the Afghan fort where he was being held prisoner.

Even when Walker was told he could die if he didn't cooperate, he kept his mouth shut.

The meeting, filmed by an Afghan cameraman and reported by Newsweek magazine yesterday, is further evidence that Walker - who could be tried for treason - was strongly devoted to the Taliban army and knew he was fighting directly against Americans.

Spann, a 32-year-old husband and father who grew up in Alabama, was killed when the 3,000 Taliban prisoners - including Walker - revolted, throwing hand grenades and seizing weapons from Northern Alliance guards.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said Walker was involved in the uprising and was found after the riot carrying an AK-47.

After attending a memorial service for Spann yesterday in his hometown of Winfield, Ala., a close family friend, Tracy Estes, told The Post it was impossible to understand how an American citizen could "trade sides."

"I just can't understand [Walker's] logic or work out what he was thinking," Estes said.

Spann came face to face with Walker on a blanket spread over the bare earth floor of the northern Afghan fortress of Qalai Janghi on the morning of Sunday, Nov. 25.

Walker, known inside the prison by his Muslim name, Abdul Hamid, was among prisoners questioned before the uprising. A U.S. official said the CIA was not aware that Walker, whose family lives in California, was an American.

His elbows tied behind his back, Walker was pushed down on the blanket, his head bowed, his long hair obscuring his face.

Squatting at the edge of the blanket, with a Kalashnikov rifle strapped across his back, Spann attempted to break Walker out of his trance by clicking his fingers twice in front of his face.

Spann said, "Who brought you here? Wake up! Who brought you here? How did you get here? Hello?"

After failing to get a response, Spann and Dave spoke to each other within earshot of Walker.

Dave said, "The problem is, he's got to decide if he wants to live or die. If he wants to die, he's going to die here.

"Or he's going to f- - -ing spend the rest of his short f- - -ing life in prison. It's his decision, man.

"We can only help the guys who want to talk to us. We can only get the Red Cross to help so many guys."

Spann later tried a softer approach, telling Walker, "They [the Sept. 11 hijackers] killed other Muslims. There were several hundred other Muslims killed in the bombing. Are you going to talk to us?"

After Walker still refused to respond, the film shows, Spann stood with his hands on his hips and Dave kicked the dust in frustration, according to Newsweek.

When he was being photographed, Walker refused to pull his hair back.

An Afghan guard held the prisoner's head in place and pulled his hair back as Spann took a picture before Walker was escorted back to other captives sitting on the floor of the fort.

Hours later, the fort exploded in violence - and Spann's body was recovered by British and American soldiers.

Walker's San Francisco lawyer, Jim Brosnahan, declined to comment yesterday.

Walker, who converted to Islam as a 16-year-old high-school student four years ago, is being held by U.S. Special Forces. The Justice Department is assessing what charges will be brought against him.
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Get him some help? This is a kid who was toting an AK-47 and using it against American servicemen and women.

The constutition is very clear about this one. Something to the effect of if you bare arms against your country in a time of war, you are committing treason.

Try him in court or don't let him back into the country. I have no mercy for someone who chose to fight against Americans in this war.
Yes.. Well said. I wholeheartedly agree.. This kid is a terrorist, who has already slit his own throat by coupling that with the crime of treason. He should be tried over there and killed.. NOT let back into the country.. that'd be like letting bin laden into our country jsut cuz he had a temporary brian lapse... This kid's no different...
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Dr. Gonzo,

While it's likely he never engaged in combat with US forces, he must have known after 2.5 months of fighting that the US was backing the Northern Alliance.
Yah.. How can anyone tell me, just out of the nature of his situation that he fired...NO shots.. This is a US war, and any shots fired, would be an entrance into teh war.. and I'm sure if we asked his buddy next to him in urdu, he'd say he fired a few shots...
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You know what? I was wrong about this guy. I'm sure he's a decent fellow. He was just a bit mislead. Poor guy. Actually, he's the one who is the victim here, not the American troops whom he was fighting. This guy didn't mean any harm to America when he joined the biggest anti-American group in the world. This guy didn't mean America any harm when he rejoyced after the Cole bombing where 19 sailors, mothers and fathers, were killed. Like some of you have said, he just didn't know any better. Poor kid, victim of circumstance. Don't know why he was one of the last to surrender at the prison. Also don't know how people can say he had no idea that he was fighting America when he saw the two CIA men in the prison. Heck, he even witnessed the murder of one of them. But how was he supposed to know that they were American? Poor kid. Let's clean him up, bring him home in time to celebrate Christmas and get him started on some kind of social program right away. God bless America.

Hah. Great post... I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds posting god awfully satirical posts on teh media and such hilarious.. Cheers to you for your intelligence.. a sort of tongue in cheek approach to what is wrong with america these days...
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I think people like that are just pathetic excuses of a human being, and should be thrown into court for treason, for that is exactly what it is.

In Britain we have LOADS of these incidents where ridiculous, malevolent and UNGRATEFUL pieces of excrement voluntarily go and fight against the country who's limited resources THEY consumed, who's welfare state THEY used, who's economy THEY drained, all so they can go and betray it. As much as I despise the members of Al-Qaeda who are from the Middle East, I absolutely abhor those who were born here in Europe and still have the audacity and humanity (or lack of) to go and help to destroy the very world they lived in and used.

Traitors, and they should be treated as such. Put them all in jail and leave them there to rot.

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Hah... I completely agree, but let's add this to the 'rot' statement.. have the British Bobby's come in and systematically take a nice big sh@t on their heads while simultaneously beating them with their night sticks...

C'mon guys.. a laugh for the absurdity

Here's to hopefully poking the light hearted bone in ya'll
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DoctorGonzo you're wrong. Walker admitted to a reporter that he fought in Kashmir with Al-Quaeda. The Taliban is not at war in Kashmir.

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DoctorGonzo you're wrong. Walker admitted to a reporter that he fought in Kashmir with Al-Quaeda. The Taliban is not at war in Kashmir.
Walker also was interrogated by the CIA officer who was later murdered in the prison uprising that Walker participated in. The interrogation was videotaped. Walker refused to help the CIA officer in any way.

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either way he gets the "dumb ass of the year" award
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Maybe we should start a petition honoring him.
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Kill him...the lump of shit...
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And THAT C.I.A. officer (Mike Spann) was from rural Winfield Alabama, about 100 miles from my home. I wouldn't advise Osama bin Walker to have car trouble anywhere around Winfield.

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Walker should be given due process of law and tried for treason. Considering the lumps of evidence against him, he will likely be found guilty, and a suitable punishment will be appropriate.

It almost confounds me how prevalent religious fanaticism is worldwide, and what people will do in the name of religion.

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I think a Medal of Honor is in order for this war hero. Oh, by the way, not only did he know for sure that he was fighting the Americans (probably a dream come true for him) but there is VIDEO of him being interviewed by the CIA officer who was killed shortly thereafter. So I think it's safe to say this kid knew exactly what was going on and what he was doing.
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