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....trying to protect the rights of the poor and of the environment in the Amazonian rain forest.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...&e=1&u=/nm/20050212/ts_nm/crime_brazil_nun_dc


There are many threads running in FYM about Christianity and what it means to be a "Christian".

I propose, after all is said and done, Dorothy Stang is the EPITOME of a Christian and God's Love in action.:wink:

May we all be more like her.

Our Christian actions speak louder than our "christian" words.:up:

THE GOAL IS SOUL....:angel:
 
I just saw this horrible news on a Catholic news list I'm signed onto. What is this world coming to? I'm shocked and upset. A nun? Who's next?
 
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Verte, there were six American nuns who were killed in El Salvador during the early 1980's for their work with the poor and for human rights in that country.

El Salvador then had a politically repressive government supported by the Reagan administration as the U.S. government's
"buffer" against the then socialist government of Nicaragua.

The Reagan administration DID NOTHING to find the killers of these nuns, some who had been viciously raped and no one that I am aware of has ever been brought to justice for their murders.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?:tsk:
 
I know jamilla, I remember those nuns who were killed. In fact, U2 had *much* to do with my convervion to Catholism. Not everyone is going to like this. That's Ok, you can't fit everyone in the same box. This stuff is what made me go to demonstrations, protesting this stuff, it made me so sad.
 
Jamelia[/i] [b]Our Christian actions speak louder than our "christian" words.[/b][/quote] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by verte76 said:
And this killing of this nun? How is this supposed to make me feel?

without wishing to sound too unsympathetic or provoking but, would it have mattered as much to you if she wasn't a catholic nun? She was there as an environmentalist foremost, not a Christian, and was attacked because of such reasons.
 
RA-D said:




without wishing to sound too unsympathetic or provoking but, would it have mattered as much to you if she wasn't a catholic nun? She was there as an environmentalist foremost, not a Christian, and was attacked because of such reasons.

Absolutely. I'm also an environmentalist. To kill anyone who is in some sort of service role is a crime of the first magnitude.
 
Christian actions speak louder than "christian" words.

Faith without the works is meaningless to God - please check out the New Testament.:up:

And since when is standing up for the rights of poor people and of God's green earth not a Christian thing to do?
 
verte76 said:


Absolutely. I'm also an environmentalist. To kill anyone who is in some sort of service role is a crime of the first magnitude.

Whilst I don't agree with the 'service role' point, thank you for clarifying your point of view.

Jamila said:
Christian actions speak louder than "christian" words.

And since when is standing up for the rights of poor people and of God's green earth not a Christian thing to do?


I'll check out the new testiment after my second reading of the 'Koran', Dan Brown's 'The Da Vinci Code' and Jeremy Clarkson's new book thanks. :up:

If I went and chained myself to a tree, would that make me a Christian? No, it wouldn't, even though you may brand it 'Christian action'.
I am not denying that "standing up for the rights of poor people and God's green earth" is not what the bible instructs its subjects to do, I am saying that the lady in question in the article was in Brazil as an environmentalist. She was not murdered for being Christian, she was murdered for being an environmentalist.
 
She was murdered for trying to save God's green earth.

Why is that so hard to understand?
 
Jamila said:
She was murdered for trying to save God's green earth.

Why is that so hard to understand?


Because she was murdered for trying to save trees, not "God's green earth", whether or not she saw it that way.
She may have been there, in her own mind, to protect "God's green earth" but was not murdered for anything to do with any god.
These terrible things would happen whether this lady was religious or not, her murder has nothing to do with anyone's opinions on divine issues.
It doesn't matter that she's a nun is all I am trying to say. It would make no diference if she were a butcher, a baker or, indeed, a candlestick maker, she still would have been killed and it still would have been a terrible thing.
Is my point understood?
 
This is bad news.

Jamila said:
Christian actions speak louder than "christian" words.
I think that sometimes, it's flipsided. I think that anything wrong I've done, being a self-professed Christian, is amplified louder than anything positive I've done. :shrug:

I like to think that isn't true, though.
 
It appears that people in Brazil who support BIG AGRA (the multinational agricultural corporations) were apparently behind the murder of Dorothy Stang and SEVERAL OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED this week supporting the rights of the indigenous people of the Amazon to retain the rights to their land:


Agriculture Blamed for Brazil Violence

Fri Feb 18, 5:29 PM ET Science - AP


By MICHAEL ASTOR and ALAN CLENDENNING, Associated Press Writers

ANAPU, Brazil - Three decades after settling in the remote rainforest to clear brush and grow cocoa under the shadows of towering jungle trees, Luis Domingues da Silva is starting to see the first hints that Brazil's booming agribusiness industry is heading his way.


There are rumors a nearby stretch of the Trans-Amazon Highway will be paved, which would open the area for rapid-fire development and mechanized agriculture. There are plans for a controversial dam nearby to supply hundreds of thousands of people from Amazon towns like Anapu with electricity. There are migrants building rickety houses in the hopes of finding jobs in the growing town of 7,000.


And then there's what da Silva considers the clearest indication that development is finally headed to Anapu: the killing a week ago of Dorothy Stang, the 73-year-old American nun who was trying to protect this corner of the Amazon from loggers, land speculators and agribusiness which is rapidly transforming the wild jungle into orderly fields of grain.


Brazil has been breaking production records every year for valuable export goods ranging from soy to beef, and environmentalists say a government keen on turning the nation into the world's bread basket has turned a blind eye to the problems of development in places like Anapu.


Like environmentalists and advocates for peasants who blame the country's relentless drive to boost agricultural output for violence spiraling out of control, da Silva's biggest fear is that flat stretches of forest will be bought up and stripped bare for huge combines to harvest endless fields of soybeans.


The cocoa he grows is one of the least damaging crops in the Amazon because it grows best shaded by big trees.


"I sincerely think soy will be a huge disaster," da Silva said from his small farm along the muddy Trans-Amazon as tropical downpours filled refrigerator-sized potholes. "The only thing that sustains a man in the forest is cocoa."


Just five days after Stang's killing, President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva tried to mute claims he favors agriculture over the environment, creating a huge environmental protection zone surrounding Anapu and freezing development along an Amazon highway that the government plans to pave.


But in speeches, the president repeatedly praises the agribusiness industry, which brings in valuable foreign reserves and has turned Brazil into the world's largest beef exporter and the second-largest soy exporter, after the United States.


"As far as agribusiness and the government surplus is concerned, this is a huge success. People are ecstatic and grinning from ear to ear," Bishop Tomas Balduino, head of the Roman Catholic Church-linked Land Pastoral group, which helps landless farmers, told reporters this week. "But the death of Dorothy was almost preordained. The stronger agribusiness is, the more severe the violence."


Antonio Ernesto da Silva, who heads The National Confederation of Agriculture, called Balduino's comments "totally biased."


"Violence only reigns where the government is absent, where the government is weak," he told the newspaper O Estado de Sao Paulo.


Environmentalists blame both. They say decades of lax government oversight in the Amazon have allowed logging companies and investors intent on profiting from cattle to push steadily deeper into the world's largest rainforest, which sprawls over 1.6 million square miles and covers more than half the country. Development, logging and farming have destroyed as much as 20 percent of the rainforest.


The survival of the Amazon rainforest is key to that of the planet. The jungle is sometimes called the world's "lung" because its billions of trees, spread over an area 11 times the size of Texas, produce oxygen and absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.


Silva took office two years ago as Brazil's first elected leftist president amid predictions by investors that the country would default on its mammoth debt and nose-dive into depression. At the time, agriculture was Brazil's only bright economic spot, and experts believed strong agricultural exports were the main factor that prevented a recession.


Environmentalists understand that the president needed to support agriculture to help the economy, but said he sent the wrong message by heaping so much praise on the industry.


"It was, `Grow at whatever rate you can grow,'" said Roberto Smeraldi, director of the environmental group Friends of the Earth Brazil. "It was not a message of, 'Let's improve productivity, let's improve the way we can use already degraded land.'"


Besides creating the conservation reserves in Anapu, Silva also declared environmental protection zones in three other Amazon states.

He ordered a six-month moratorium on new logging, land clearing and development on a tract of land in the state of Para almost the size of Portugal, located near another jungle road scheduled to be paved in an area environmentalists say is already rife with deforestation.


Paving the road, known as BR163, would give farmers in the top soy-producing state of Mato Grosso access to an Amazon River port in Para for cheaper shipment abroad. The road is now impassable to heavy trucks for much of the year because of rain.


CARGILL INC., the Minneapolis-based agricultural giant and Brazil's largest soy exporter, built the $20 million port three years ago but believes that enough soy can be planted to satisfy worldwide demand on Brazilian land that has already been cleared, such as old rubber plantations.

"Our analysis was that the terminal ... made economic sense even if the road was never paved," Cargill spokeswoman Lori Johnson said. She added: "In Brazil and the United States, sustainable economic development and environmental protection should go hand in hand."

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BIG AGRA - CARGILL INC. :tsk:
 
It just keeps getting better for the Amazon rainforest and her indigenous people.



Brazil Vows Slow Down of Amazon Destruction



BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) - Destruction of Brazil's Amazon rain forest will slow down in 2005 after the murder of a U.S. nun prompted the government to launch an unprecedented crackdown on illegal loggers and ranchers, the head of Brazil's environment agency said on Monday.

Brazil created vast environmental reserves and sent its army and federal police to fight deforestation last week after international outrage at the murder of prominent U.S. human rights activist Dorothy Stang on Feb. 12.


"This is the turning point," said Luiz Fernando Krieger Merico, interim president of Brazil's environmental agency IBAMA, told Reuters in an interview.


"There will be a noticeable fall (in deforestation) between 2004 and 2005...this decline will be progressive from now on," Krieger said.


Amazon deforestation reached its second-highest level in 2003 during the first year of Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula's presidency. It rose again in 2004, according to preliminary government figures, as loggers and farmers used a jungle highway to push deeper into the rain forest.


Stang, 74, was shot as she set up a federal reserve blocking the advance of loggers into hardwood-rich rain forest in Para state. The government saw her murder as a challenge to its power by Amazon timber mafias and their economic allies.


"They (loggers) are going to have to legalize their operations are be pushed out of the market," said Krieger.


CURB AMAZON DESTRUCTION


Brazil's government wants to curb Amazon destruction and land battles harming its image abroad and turning vast swathes of forest into useless, semi-desert regions.


But Lula does not want to hurt economic growth or stoke violence with outright bans on farming and logging on illegally occupied federal lands -- areas with multiple ownership claims after decades of unauthorized subdivisions and sales.


Lula's solution is a plan to create a new federal presence on the Amazon frontier with 19 bases from which IBAMA, army and police units will legalize forest use and enforce controls.


"What's new is the cooperation between the army, IBAMA and federal agencies is permanent," said Krieger.


"IBAMA often arrives in a helicopter and we're shot at and we flee, but this isn't going to happen anymore with the army," said Krieger of plans for IBAMA units to travel in army helicopters with jungle warfare units.


Lula has frozen new logging and farming in a protection area three times the size of Belgium adjacent to jungle highway BR163 while authorities confirm what activities are legal.


Environmentalists applauded the actions but are waiting to see if the government has the political will to create reserves and enforce the law.


Stang was murdered less than three weeks after Lula's government restored suspended Amazon logging licenses after loggers blocked roads and threatened violence if their activities were barred.

:applaud:
 
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