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Old 05-12-2004, 02:26 PM   #31
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I also think many of the Middle eastern Islamic people would be very offended to think people in America thoguht they could be made to turn against their religion and their ways with money. They would be determined never to let it happen. And they might just kill you for trying.
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But wasn't Muhammed Atta's father a wealthy Cairo physician?


Again, a minority. There are some people who are more principled. They are in the minority. If you are looking for exceptions to the rule, you will always find them; but they are not the typical profile of an Al-Qaeda militant. Maybe the leadership, but they are a whole different monster. If the Middle East were more stable to begin with, they wouldn't have felt the need to be so "empathetic."

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They DO hate us because they are not like us. But they don't want to be like us. They hate what we are. We are against their religion, and they would feel they would be damned forever for being like us.
Sure, if America started writing checks, they'd, of course, be against it. That's why it has to be a lot more subtle. Make it appear as if their governments are responsible for making them more prosperous. Something can be done to encourage prosperity in these nations. Slapping on sanctions, while it looks good, isn't necessarily the correct option. If the U.S. slapped sanctions on Iran, for instance, it would be counterproductive, as it would turn the population against the U.S.

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Iraqi humiliated in prison - how horrible!

American jew beheaded - praise Allah!


We are a long way from peace
Please do not confuse that humiliation and torture with more civilized,...
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My deepest sympathies and love to the Berg family.
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Of course these murders say "revenge" but that's no excuse treating an innocent man that way.
And where can be revenge if you murder somebody just because he has the same nationality than somebody who murdered a friend of you?
Exactly. This is not "revenge", it's sick, savage evil. The wicked men who committed this awful deed are no followers of God.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the Berg family. What hell they must be going through.
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I can't even tell you how sad and mad this horrific story made me yesterday. My heart and prayers go out to the Berg family.
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U.S. Officials Failed to Protect Slain Civilian, Family Says

By RICHARD LEZIN JONES and JILL P. CAPUZZO

Published: May 13, 2004


EST WHITELAND, Pa., May 12 The family of Nicholas E. Berg challenged American military officials on Wednesday, insisting that the man beheaded by Islamic terrorists in Iraq had earlier been in the custody of federal officials who should have done more to protect him.

Mr. Berg's brother, David, emerged from the family's split-level house in this Philadelphia suburb with a four-page e-mail message that he said his younger brother, Nicholas, had sent hours after being freed on April 6 from a jail in Mosul, Iraq.

The Iraqi police took Nicholas Berg, 26, into custody on March 24 and held him in a jail that he described in the message as managed by Iraqis with oversight from United States Military Police forces. He wrote that federal agents had questioned his reasons for being in Iraq, whether he had ever built a pipe bomb or had been in Iran.

"They can detain him and deny him his basic civil rights of a lawyer, a phone call or even a charge for 13 days, but they can't get him" on a plane, David Berg said.

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U.S. Offered Berg a Flight Out of Iraq

WASHINGTON - The U.S. government warned a young American to leave Iraq, and offered him a flight out of the country, a month before his grisly beheading was broadcast on an al-Qaida-linked Web site, officials said.

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Apparently, Berg turned down the offer.
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I believe that, unless America and the rest of the Western nations are serious about raising education levels and ending poverty for third-world nations, we will never have peace. Never. And I think that neither America nor the rest of the West is serious about entertaining this concept ever, because it would involve far more than shooting "terrorists" and throwing money at the situation.
I don't think this could ever happen...not unless a severe "reality check" happens w/ the big leaders of the Western Nations (hmm.. one would have thought 9/11/01 was a big reality check...) I think there is a fear about giving education to Middle Easterners: fear it will take jobs away from Westerners, Middle East might rise to dominate, or what have you. It's too bad they can't be educated enough to allow their country to thrive by their own resources and industry and become our partners rather than enemies.
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Also, my most sincere sympathies to the Berg family. What a horrible, horrible tragedy.
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I would never judge or blame his family one bit for what they are saying about why it happened-they are obviously in complete anguish and grief, and have every right to say whatever they want.

But where does it get us blaming the US govt-in my mind, it just takes the focus/responsibility off the SOBs who did it.

I saw a news story yesterday that said there are over 30 civilians missing over there. God help them all

Nick Berg also had previously done work in Ghana..I'm sure he was quite a guy. Rest in Peace Nick
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It looks like the beheading even crossed the line in some Arab states.

Three Arab states condemn American's beheading

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(CNN) -- Three Arab states -- Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates --- are condemning the beheading of American Nicholas Berg by his Iraqi captors, shown in a video that appeared on an Islamist Web site.
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Jean Sasson, one of my favorite American writers (she is a native of Alabama, in fact, and still lives in the South) lived and worked in the Middle East for twelve years. She has many friends in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other Arab countries. She says she would not like these people if they weren't nice. She was flooded with e-mails and phone calls from Saudi Arabia after 9/11. One Saudi complained that the terrorists "had stabbed me in the heart". They were outraged and particularly upset that so many Saudis were mixed up in the deal. The flip side of the coin of all the evil we've seen lately is that wherever you go you'll also find decent, kind and humane people. There are good apples along with the bad. These people are outraged and upset with the monsters who did this beheading.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sue DeNym


Exactly. This is not "revenge", it's sick, savage evil. The wicked men who committed this awful deed are no followers of God.
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and it wasn't even 'revenge' for a murder, it was supposed to be revenge for the humiliation of the Iraqi prisoners. But killing someone especially in that brutal way makes the punishment far far outweigh the crime. They are crazy and evil.

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My thoughts and prayers go out to the Berg family. What hell they must be going through.
They will never be the same. This will haunt them for the rest of their lives. What a nightmare
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Old 05-13-2004, 07:22 PM   #45
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I just cannot begin to explain how deeply this murder disturbed me. I simply can't imagine the sheer terror this poor man must have felt and the horrific pain he had to have experienced. It absolutely sickens me that these animals commit these atrocities in the name of God. May God look after Nick Berg's family and may he send these terrorist bastards to hell.
I don't think things are ever going to get better because you can't catch all of them & even if you could, there would be a whole new crop of crazies ready to take their place.
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