Am I the only one who can't stand hardcore feminists? - Page 4 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-23-2004, 02:11 PM   #46
War Child
 
saltwaterkiss26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: MA
Posts: 638
Local Time: 11:04 AM
The first thing I thought of at the men-more-level-headed comment was Bono and all the PM women...
__________________

__________________
saltwaterkiss26 is offline  
Old 10-23-2004, 02:20 PM   #47
genius of compression
Forum Moderator
 
neutral's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: forty miles from atlanta, this is nowhere
Posts: 13,030
Local Time: 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Sherry Darling
I guess, after looking over this thread, shart, the short answer to your question is

yes, you are the only one

__________________

__________________

neutral @ interference.com
neutral is offline  
Old 10-23-2004, 09:32 PM   #48
pax
ONE
love, blood, life
 
pax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Ewen's new American home
Posts: 11,412
Local Time: 12:04 PM
Ja.
__________________
and you hunger for the time
time to heal, desire, time


Join Amnesty.
pax is offline  
Old 10-24-2004, 03:49 PM   #49
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
VertigoGal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: I'm never alone (I'm alone all the time)
Posts: 9,860
Local Time: 11:04 AM
Shart...

I appreciate another person holding a door for me, as opposed to letting it slam in my face, whether they be a man or a woman. Likewise, I will hold a door for whoever is behind me, man or woman. It's common courtesy.

I agree that some feminists go overboard, take offense too easily, etc...Can't this be said for any group or movement?

But I do take some offense when you imply that women are simply better at cooking, child-rearing, and "serving," while men are more "level-headed." It's culture and society that have bound women to such roles...not that there is any problem with a woman who decides to work part-time, or be a stay-at-home mom if they can afford it. My mom worked full-time when I was a kid, as did my dad, but I know they BOTH would have loved to spend more time with us, and they BOTH did an excellent job raising us.

As far as the "level-headed" comment, I know you've already taken some shit for that, BUT:

I believe there has actually been research done to suggest women have a better grasp of their emotions than men, in general. Anger, at least.

But then you get into the whole Nature vs. Nuture thing. Where I grew up, most of the girls did fit your typical girly-girl, cry a lot, not so smart stereotype. IT'S HOW THEY WERE RAISED. Their mothers taught them to be that way; their fathers taught them to be that way. The problem we face now is that, while society (theoretically) allows women to hold the same positions as men, our ingrained culture doesn't encourage it, in some cases, or provide the base for it. If you put a city slicker man and a guy raised on the farm in Wyoming or wherever in the middle of the wilderness, chances are the city slicker will have a harder time making it, and will be more likely to "break down" or cry. Now, say a child of two of your typical "city slickers" and a child of two farmers were switched at the hospital. Do you think the kid born to city slickers but raised "tough" in the country will be more adapted to the situation, despite his genes? Most likely.

I'm really sorry for the confusing metaphor, but it's the best thing I could think of to relate nature vs. nuture...The point remains that a woman raised to be "inferior" will act accordingly. A girl raised by parents who respect her and never try to force any roles or responsibilities on her because she is female will typically not fit those stereotypes.

Yeah, men are physically stronger than women. But we're past the Industrial Age and into the Information Age. Physical strength is increasingly less important, and will continue to decrease in relevance. If there are any women who are upset or in denial over this simple fact, that men have testosterone while women have estrogen, they are delusional and need to get a grip on reality.

I agree with whoever it was that wondered when "feminism" became a dirty word. I'm an independant woman, I'm an intelligent person, I would love to find a soulmate, but I'm currently single, and have no insecurity problems over it. I play guitar, I'm interested in politics, I love kids and can't wait to be a mother, I was a competitive and dedicated athlete as a teenager and continue to work out, I earned some of the highest grades in my school, and I like to cook. Not very good at it, but I have some fun with a from-scratch recipe every once and a while...even though I mostly resort to Break and Bake! As a kid, both my parents could and did cook, whenever the other one was busy (same with the groceries and laundry), but my dad was the big chef...he made the best chile!

If this makes me a "feminist," well, so be it.
__________________
VertigoGal is offline  
Old 10-24-2004, 08:51 PM   #50
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,338
Local Time: 08:04 AM
Why does shart's profile say "girl"?
__________________
martha is offline  
Old 10-24-2004, 09:27 PM   #51
ONE
love, blood, life
 
indra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 12,689
Local Time: 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by martha
Why does shart's profile say "girl"?
PMS envy?
__________________
indra is offline  
Old 10-24-2004, 11:20 PM   #52
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,697
Local Time: 10:04 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by indra


PMS envy?
Is that possible?!
__________________
BVS is offline  
Old 10-25-2004, 06:06 AM   #53
Blue Crack Addict
 
verte76's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: hoping for changes
Posts: 23,331
Local Time: 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by indra


PMS envy?
That's masochism if I ever heard it. Ugh, I can't imagine wanting this .
__________________
verte76 is offline  
Old 10-25-2004, 07:29 AM   #54
New Yorker
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Perth, WA
Posts: 2,710
Local Time: 12:04 AM
Hi Everyone,

I think Shart, what you need to decide is why are these "hardcore feminists" making you feel so uncomfortable? If you feel that in your relationship it is equal and so does your partner, then who cares what anyone else thinks? It is really important that both men and women are allowed to be who they want to be, not who they think they have to be as a result of a lot of sterotyping that goes on in this world.

Personally, I have been brought up to believe that men and women can do whatever they want - but that doesn't mean that you have to act like an idiot or not take into consideration other peoples feelings and it doesn't mean that people should be treated like door mats.

I also work in a very male dominated area. I am only one of two people in Western Australia who do my job. Most of the people I work with are men and most of them would do as you do re opening doors, carrying things etc. I know they don't do it because I'm the "little woman". I definitely appreciate what they do, and sometimes their manner can determine which project I will complete. Who wants to go out of their way for someone who is a complete d*#khead?

I think what you might be hearing from the girlies is that we don't need to be closetted and treated like an object, nor do we want to. BUT, if you are doing things to help make each others life easier out of love and respect then that is a totally different category altogether. Motive is a big factor.

Just my 2 cents.

(Now back to your regularly scheduled program....)
__________________
Tania is offline  
Old 10-25-2004, 09:23 AM   #55
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
dandy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: styrofoam peanut commune
Posts: 4,310
Local Time: 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Tania

I think what you might be hearing from the girlies is that we don't need to be closetted and treated like an object, nor do we want to. BUT, if you are doing things to help make each others life easier out of love and respect then that is a totally different category altogether. Motive is a big factor.

you nailed it, tania. well said.
__________________
dandy is offline  
Old 10-25-2004, 09:30 AM   #56
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 08:04 AM
I think people tend to reject extremists in any form.
__________________
nbcrusader is offline  
Old 10-25-2004, 11:08 AM   #57
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 08:04 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by nbcrusader
I think people tend to reject extremists in any form.
hope you are right

we will find out on nov. 2 with red state count
__________________
deep is offline  
Old 10-25-2004, 11:16 AM   #58
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 08:04 AM
And reject extreme flip flopping
__________________
nbcrusader is offline  
Old 10-26-2004, 02:33 AM   #59
New Yorker
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Perth, WA
Posts: 2,710
Local Time: 12:04 AM
Sand shoe, Dandy



(Now back to your regularly scheduled program....)
__________________
Tania is offline  
Old 10-26-2004, 06:59 AM   #60
Refugee
 
Evalicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Golganooza
Posts: 1,291
Local Time: 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Felicity
Hey, shart, to paraphrase Jack Nicholson in As Good As It Gets...

Sell ignorant, clueless, reactionary, misogynist bullshit someplace else--we're all stocked up here.



Best post in this thread, fel says it all!
__________________

__________________
Evalicious is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:04 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com