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Old 02-05-2004, 06:04 AM   #31
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The comment from Lilly which sparked this, I would bet an awful lot was not made with the intention of offence nor out of ignorance. You can make a picture terribly large and eventually come to some conclusions which can just be assumptions.
I sincerely doubt anyone in here lumps all the Christian right together any more than the people who follow Islam.
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Maybe some of you have not looked at the link in the first post in this thread.

Are any of you really defending this man?






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Some Muslims are like some Christians in that they don’t practice what their bible teaches. Thank God they don’t, or all Muslims would be out "killing Christians and Jews where they find them." Just as there are nominal [in name only] Christians, there are nominal Muslims. Oh, yes, they may pray five times a day, read the Koran, and attend Mosque regularly. But, otherwise, they are regular, law-abiding citizens. The Muslims you need to worry about are the fundamentalist ones that are on a literal jihad to kill Christians and Jews where they find them.

Jihad: In Islam . . .waging war against non-Muslims with the sword.
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The truth is, you can't tell a good Muslim from an evil one, just by looking at them.

In Matthew 7:16, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, said: By their fruit you will recognize them.

When it comes to fundamentalist Muslims, you need to be on what US Attorney-General John Ashcroft calls a heightened alert until you can judge them by their fruit, even if it means being accused of racial profiling. US Secretary of Transportation Norman Manetta is wrong; this kind of racial profiling is justified. Not all profiling is evil just because the Manetta family was wrongly interred in a US camp in the early 1940s, after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. That was then; this is now.

After all, 19 out of 19 of the 9/11 terrorist bombers were Muslims from the Mideast!

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from Hagee's site

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The Holy Bible has internal validity. What it says in one place is in harmony with what it says as a whole. That is not true of the Koran. Mohammed may be quoted as saying one thing in one place and something entirely different elsewhere.


so the Bible teaches peace, justice and respect for people and property

or

raping, killing and pillaging people who are not one's "neighbors"


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10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy [1] them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the LORD your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God.
19 When you lay siege to a city for a long time, fighting against it to capture it, do not destroy its trees by putting an ax to them, because you can eat their fruit. Do not cut them down. Are the trees of the field people, that you should besiege them? [2] 20 However, you may cut down trees that you know are not fruit trees and use them to build siege works until the city at war with you falls.
thank G*d the fruit trees are spared.
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Deep, I didn't know you were so interest in theology.

If you were, you would understand that Islam recognizes certain internal conflicts within the Quran and a rule of interpretation holds that subsequent revelations to Mohammed take precedence over prior revelations if there is an inconsistency.

If you are really interested in understanding the Old and New Testament, I will look forward to your posts in the form of a question, rather than what we have here.
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Deep, I didn't know you were so interest in theology.

If you were, you would understand that Islam recognizes certain internal conflicts within the Quran and a rule of interpretation holds that subsequent revelations to Mohammed take precedence over prior revelations if there is an inconsistency.

If you are really interested in understanding the Old and New Testament, I will look forward to your posts in the form of a question, rather than what we have here.
Do you think the same can be said for "inconsistencies" between the Old Testament and the New Testament?
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This is an off-topic forum. Discuss politics, spirituality, religion, world events.
this seems to be the proper forum for this thread and discussion









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the crazy right-wing fundamentalist Christians
If this is your conclusion about Hagee you are probably not off the mark.


I hope you do not feel compelled to defend him just because he calls himself a "Christian".

Anymore than a Republican would need to defend David Duke when he called himself a Republican.
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I'm not here to defend Hagee.

I think you can tell that by the progression of the thread.

Actually, the thread has spent little time discussing Hagee's remarks
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Do you think the same can be said for "inconsistencies" between the Old Testament and the New Testament?
If you want to discuss specific "inconsistencies", I'd would be more than happy to.
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Oh please, we do not need yet another debate on the alleged bias of FYM mods. Why can't we just discuss the issues instead?
I am assuming you missed the Laughing winking face....it was said in jest...if you do not like my posts ignore them.

On second thought...that was serious.


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OK....Back to the "Good" Reverend.

Now, he may not be out enticing people into a modern day "Crusade".

I personally spent some time looking at his site. To each his or her own. I could really give a what this minister says about the religion of Islam is about.

Since is he a minister of the Gospel, I want to see what he is about. What is his message. Well....

[Q]Bible Cure Books (Variety Pack II - Nine Titles)
$54 BOOK O259

DON COLBERT is a licensed medical doctor who specializes in alternative therapies. As a well-trained physician, Dr. Don Colbert believed that he understood the basics for good health until his own health began to fail him. When his own profession was unable to give him answers or help, he turned to other health-related disciplines. He has his own practice and has helped thousands of people discover the joy of walking in divine health and living pain-free after years of suffering.

These books contain findings that your doctor may never have told you!

O259 – Bible Cures II by Dr. Don Colbert - $54
This offer consists of the following titles:
· The Bible Cure for Menopause
· The Bible Cure for Osteoporosis
· The Bible Cure for Candida/Yeast
· The Bible Cure for ADD/Hypertension
· The Bible Cure for PMS/Mood swings
· The Bible Cure for Memory Loss
· The Bible Cure for High Blood Pressure
· The Bible Cure for Sleeping Disorders
· The Bible Cure for Heartburn/Indigestion


Bible Cure Books are not available for sale individually[/Q]

Not for sale individually. If you have a ADD, by golly you are going to spend the $54 to get the whole collection.

Enough already. Why should I waste any of my brain cells on this piece of dung. I am sure that when the second coming occurs, the good lord will be so proud to have seen his word used to make money for scum like this.

This is what I was getting at recently.

Here is a name. Target the name.

If only he had a cure for my kidney stones.
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OK....Back to the "Good" Reverend.

Now, he may not be out enticing people into a modern day "Crusade".

I personally spent some time looking at his site. To each his or her own. I could really give a what this minister says about the religion of Islam is about.

Since is he a minister of the Gospel, I want to see what he is about. What is his message. Well....

[Q]Bible Cure Books (Variety Pack II - Nine Titles)
$54 BOOK O259

DON COLBERT is a licensed medical doctor who specializes in alternative therapies. As a well-trained physician, Dr. Don Colbert believed that he understood the basics for good health until his own health began to fail him. When his own profession was unable to give him answers or help, he turned to other health-related disciplines. He has his own practice and has helped thousands of people discover the joy of walking in divine health and living pain-free after years of suffering.

These books contain findings that your doctor may never have told you!

O259 – Bible Cures II by Dr. Don Colbert - $54
This offer consists of the following titles:
· The Bible Cure for Menopause
· The Bible Cure for Osteoporosis
· The Bible Cure for Candida/Yeast
· The Bible Cure for ADD/Hypertension
· The Bible Cure for PMS/Mood swings
· The Bible Cure for Memory Loss
· The Bible Cure for High Blood Pressure
· The Bible Cure for Sleeping Disorders
· The Bible Cure for Heartburn/Indigestion


Bible Cure Books are not available for sale individually[/Q]

Not for sale individually. If you have a ADD, by golly you are going to spend the $54 to get the whole collection.

Enough already. Why should I waste any of my brain cells on this piece of dung. I am sure that when the second coming occurs, the good lord will be so proud to have seen his word used to make money for scum like this.

This is what I was getting at recently.

Here is a name. Target the name.

If only he had a cure for my kidney stones.
Yeah this guy is from my hometown. His church is huge and has lots of power, they've single handedly changed the liquor laws in their area. I went to a wedding at his church and had the misfortune of meeting this man. He's a very, lets say, strange person. It just scares me the power this man has, and it's spreading.
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I also found that he held a "MOCK" slave auction as a fund raiser for the church in 1996?
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I also found that he held a "MOCK" slave auction as a fund raiser for the church in 1996?
Yeah he said "slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone", but after a some flak called it a "student auction".
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A what........a SLAVE auction? That is bad........singlehandedly changing the liquor laws? If liquor laws helped alcoholism I'd support them, but they don't. Members of my own family became alcoholics during Prohibition. And man, no one can gossip like small town Southerners.
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Does this moron forget the enormous effort by Christians to abolish slavery?

I will stand with you BVS against this guy.
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