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Old 02-04-2004, 07:33 PM   #16
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Be careful when you assume.


Strict teachings may not elevate to the level of violence (though Muslim women may have a different view), but one must address the view of infidels in the strict teaching.
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Strict teachings may not elevate to the level of violence (though Muslim women may have a different view), but one must address the view of infidels in the strict teaching.
Do I really have to remind you how Biblical scripture has been twisted throughout history?
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Are we back to "tit for tat" again?

Yes, there are twisted interpretations of Scripture. We even have some nice cults as a result. But Ithought we were talking about Islam.
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Was it melon who once posted here a quote about how religion is the best way to separate people from God? It's what I thought of today when I read the back and forth posts here.
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We patriotic Christian Americans just want to shine the true light on Islam.
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We patriotic Christian Americans just want to shine the true light on Islam.
Are you including yourself in that group, or just adding to the frey?
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This is not an accurate statement of the crusades.

Political power, not Scriptural interpretation, drove the crusades.
That's very true. The Crusades were all about politics. But some of the people who "took the cross", as the saying was, sincerely believed they were following the will of God. God forbid me defending the Crusades, but it *was* the Middle Ages.
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Strict teachings may not elevate to the level of violence (though Muslim women may have a different view), but one must address the view of infidels in the strict teaching.
You could say that "strict teachings" are Wahhabism. It must be admitted that Wahhabism, a sect of the Sunni tradition of Islam, has some skeletons in its closet as per their attitudes toward alleged "infidels". However, traditional Wahhabists are actually pretty otherworldly and are mainly concerned with the afterlife. Some of the more modern ones are more political. Wahhabism is the sort of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia, thus it is Osama bin Laden's heritage. Moslems outside of Saudi Arabia are mostly critical of Wahhabism. This is a pretty good write-up on Wahhabism.

http://www.iicas.org/english/enlibra...4_01_02_is.htm

In fairness to the Saudis many of them don't care for this interpretation of the Islamic faith, either.
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Are we back to "tit for tat" again?

Yes, there are twisted interpretations of Scripture. We even have some nice cults as a result. But Ithought we were talking about Islam.
No just trying to get people to look at themselves before they cast the first stone. That's all.
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This is not an accurate statement of the crusades.

Political power, not Scriptural interpretation, drove the crusades.
I wish I had saved the links that I had on this topic. I was so tired of people in this forum throwing the "Crusade" word out there as if it were "JUST" a religious event.

Go NB....
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Are you including yourself in that group, or just adding to the frey?
Throwing a grenade....and leaving....lol
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No just trying to get people to look at themselves before they cast the first stone. That's all.
Then why start this thread? Another chance to say "Look at the crazy right-wing fundamentalist Christians"?
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Then why start this thread? Another chance to say "Look at the crazy right-wing fundamentalist Christians"?
The FYM theme....LOL....Just do not attack the Catholics though....that would offend someone.
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Then why start this thread? Another chance to say "Look at the crazy right-wing fundamentalist Christians"?
No like I said in the original post, I had watched his sermon(like I do on occasion) and was absolutely infuriated. I'm infuriated that a man that is so admired in his realm, a supposed man of God, would throw around so much hate, misinformation, and twist the words in order to cast fear to so many.

To me this is a big problem in America, in the whole world for that matter, people don't understand so they cast fear. People of power, and yes this man has power, and yes it happens to be in the right wing fundamentalist Christian portion of our country. But people of all religions are doing the same thing. That's my point.
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The FYM theme....LOL....Just do not attack the Catholics though....that would offend someone.
Oh please, we do not need yet another debate on the alleged bias of FYM mods. Why can't we just discuss the issues instead?

I replied to this post because I wanted to make a comment on the suggestion that Islam is a violent religion while Christianity could never be used as a justification for violence. I believe that's incorrect: yes, there are Islamic teachings which may be interpreted as calling for violence, but there are also Christian teachings which have been interpreted as advocating violence. I didn't reply to the thread because I wanted to complain about what nbc described as "crazy right-wing fundamentalist Christians" and I would have replied if the original post was about a sermon given by a Catholic, a Jew, an athiest or anyone else.

Now can we just get back to the subject?
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