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Old 06-25-2003, 08:11 AM   #16
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And if we continue to the next paragraph, which sulawesigirl cut out(not intentionally):

A USAID official said on Tuesday that the Iraqi agreements were a separate issue

Hmmmm...COuld it be because it is still a combat area. Ever think that soldiers' lives might be at stake and maybe, just maybe the administration was concerned about the fact that information might get into the press that could potentially put people's lives at risk? Just a refresher....the agreement in Iraq was for the NGO to get clearance to speak with the press. It ONLY applies to Iraq according to the article.


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but confirmed an NGO report that USAID administrator Andrew Natsios believes nongovernmental organizations should publicize the U.S. government financial contribution to their activities.

And why shouldn't they make people aware of where the money is coming from? I will go out on a limb here and bet that we give more to some of these organizations than anyone. I am taking a guess here but if we are not the top givers, we are definitely amongst the top five. Yet we get the SHITE kicked out of us in the world. We have people who think we do NOTHING. We have people thinking in poor ccountries that Bin Laden is a bigger contributer to their survival than the US.

How many times have I seen in here that the best way for the US to fight terrorism is to do more to help other people. I am sorry, but, when the administration decides that it is time to make people aware that the US IS doing more.....I am shocked to see such outrage.

Very simply, we do not owe these agencies money. I am personally disgusted that money people earned is being taken away from us and sent elsewhere, but that is another issue altogether (NEA & PBS). If they do not wish to publicise where the money came from do not take it. Nowhere does it say we HAVE to give them the money.
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Just wanted to re-emphasize that saying I "cut out" portions is misleading. I simply grabbed the first few paragraphs and posted a link as I was under the impression that was the correct procedure these days.
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Double post....sorry.
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Just wanted to point out that I fixed it at the same time you were offended I was rereading it. ...LOL
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well I have to run to work and try to avoid getting soaked by our lovely weather system. will try to gather some thoughts to reply. just for the record tho, I disagree.
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There are a number of levels on which I disagree with the pressure the US gov't is exerting but let's just start with a basic one. First of all, just because an entity provides part of the funding for another, it doesn't necessarily follow that they now have the right to control that entity. For example, in the recent move to allow faith-based organizations to receive government money for charity work, these organizations are not expected to tell every homeless person they help that "your treatment is courtesy of the US government". If your church decides to receive some money from government sources in order to run charity programs that help society, how would you feel if the US government suddenly decided that they could now dictate what church policy was going to be, how it could represent itself publicly or even IF it could do so? You would most likely be outraged. I think the two situations are extremely comparable.

There are some activities that are best served by organizations that are not affiliated with a specific government. I believe that one common refrain among conservatives is that private organizations are more efficient than the government. (whether or not I agree with this would be another discussion) Why then would they oppose these independent organizations having autonomy over their actions?

Money is always going to be a concern and perhaps NGOs would be better off completely avoiding any of it that comes from the US government in order to avoid any possible conflict of interest. However, I would be surprised if any of them are solely funded by US money. More likely it is only one of many sources of funds. Should they then be required to have a sticker on every package of food they distribute saying something to the effect of "brought to you by USA 20%, John Doe 25%, Private Charity X 25%, and Anonymous Donations 30%" ? I doubt it.

Do we have to give NGOs money? No. Should we? If we truly care to back up our claim that we are all about human rights, then yes I think so. It's called charity and last time I checked charity doesn't come with a bill of sale, nor does it give you a stock in the company with a controlling interest.
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Very simply, we do not owe these agencies money. I am personally disgusted that money people earned is being taken away from us and sent elsewhere, but that is another issue altogether (NEA & PBS). If they do not wish to publicise where the money came from do not take it. Nowhere does it say we HAVE to give them the money.
No, the US doesn't owe aid agencies money. That said, the US is one of the richest countries in the world and I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that perhaps they could do something to help those who are less fortunate. Let's not forget the millions of people living without clean water, the millions who will never receive any formal education and the millions who don't have access to even the most basic healthcare. No, the US doesn't have to help them but I would think out of compassion and simple human decency, they would wish to.

If you saw a person who had been involved in an accident, you wouldn't HAVE to call for an ambulance but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do so. Life shouldn't be about just doing what you HAVE to do to help others, it should be about having compassion for people who are suffering and doing as much or as little as you're able to do to help them. The US is in a position to do more than most considering both its wealth and its position of power in the world. It's sad that some people would feel resentful of US tax dollars being spent to help people who are dying from starvation.

(And no, Dread, not everything in this post was directed at you. I just used your quote as a starting point.)
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Do we have to give NGOs money? No. Should we? If we truly care to back up our claim that we are all about human rights, then yes I think so. It's called charity and last time I checked charity doesn't come with a bill of sale, nor does it give you a stock in the company with a controlling interest.
Again, I point to the fact that on this board after 9/11 it was said that the US is not doing ENOUGH to help people in the world. Charity DOES NOT have to be through an NGO. If they do not wish to acknowledge where the money is coming from, they do not have to accept the money. I look at it this way. If we are already giving a significant amount of money to help the impoverished and they do not know we are helping...but they know Osama helped build a road, Osama is winning.

To imply that because the governement is seeking some acknowledgement that we no longer care about human rights is not fair. TO ask for recognition in parts of the world that feel we are doing nothing is important because the impression is we are doing nothing. If the NGO's cannot do this, to help us, when we have been more than generous for many years, then maybe it is time we distribute our own aid.
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I don't think you even read my post.
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No, the US doesn't owe aid agencies money. That said, the US is one of the richest countries in the world and I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that perhaps they could do something to help those who are less fortunate. Let's not forget the millions of people living without clean water, the millions who will never receive any formal education and the millions who don't have access to even the most basic healthcare. No, the US doesn't have to help them but I would think out of compassion and simple human decency, they would wish to.
I do not think you are getting what I am saying. I NEVER said do not help people. IF the terrorism as Bono and others here have said is better able to recruit from places that are suffering, it is NOT unreasonable to fight the HATE by asking for a little help in some recognition, since we are the GREAT SATAN in these countries.
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I don't think you even read my post.

I almost said the same to you but I thought I would give the benefit of the doubt.


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Well, perhaps we could boil it down to this. My problem is less with the US government demanding credit (although I think if they aren't the sole contributor than it is less than transparent) and more with demanding control. I find that absolutely appalling.
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