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Old 04-14-2006, 09:00 PM   #1
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Ahmadinejad: Israel Will Soon Be Eliminated by One Storm

Hmmm, nation on the road to becoming a nuclear power starts with the threats - at least nobody can say "we never could have known", there has been a lot of advanced warning
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Hamas and Islamic Jihad representatives met with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Hizbullah members in Teheran on Friday in a conference aimed at raising funds for the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority.

Opening the conference, Ahmadinejad fired a series of verbal shots at Israel, saying it was a “permanent threat” to the Middle East that will “soon” be liberated, and questioning the validity of the Nazi Holocaust against Jews in World War II.

“Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihiliation,” Ahmadinejad said. “The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm,” he said.
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So the guys got a little bit of genocidal hatred of Jews, not like thats ever hurt anyone - oh wait it has. Heres some more talk without any of the sham covering
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“The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat,” firebrand President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told the gathering of regime officials, visiting Palestinian militant leaders and foreign sympathizers.

“Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is on the road to being eliminated,” said Ahmadinejad, whose regime does not recognize Israel and who drew international condemnation last year when he said Israel should be “wiped off the map.” ...

“If there is serious doubt over the Holocaust, there is no doubt over the catastrophe and Holocaust being faced by the Palestinians,” said the president, who had previously dismissed as a “myth” the killing of an estimated six million Jews by the Nazis and their allies during World War II.

“I tell the governments who support Zionism to ... let the migrants (Jews) return to their countries of origin. If you think you owe them something, give them some of your land,” he said.
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It's already the future for you....so I sit here in the past at Friday, April 14, 2006 at 10:02pm. Why are times different.......because there are different time zones.
A global world...I always keep that in mind. Thanks for the links though.

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IRAN has formed battalions of suicide bombers to strike at British and American targets if the nation’s nuclear sites are attacked. According to Iranian officials, 40,000 trained suicide bombers are ready for action.

The main force, named the Special Unit of Martyr Seekers in the Revolutionary Guards, was first seen last month when members marched in a military parade, dressed in olive-green uniforms with explosive packs around their waists and detonators held high.

Dr Hassan Abbasi, head of the Centre for Doctrinal Strategic Studies in the Revolutionary Guards, said in a speech that 29 western targets had been identified: “We are ready to attack American and British sensitive points if they attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.” He added that some of them were “quite close” to the Iranian border in Iraq.

In a tape recording heard by The Sunday Times, Abbasi warned the would-be martyrs to “pay close attention to wily England” and vowed that “Britain’s demise is on our agenda”.
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Either let the country go nuclear and bunker down for megadeath or take action and unleash bloodshed all over the world - decisions. decisions.
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I remember reading that Ahmadinajad was involved in training Iranian "suicide squads" way back during the Iran-Iraq war. Unfortunately one of the enduring legacies of that war for Iran has been a battle-hardened ultranationalist attitude.
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Yes, even among the more moderate populace the notion of pride in nuclear power is deeply ingrained, in principle I don't have a problem with the nation being a nuclear power - if it wasn't being run by theocrats.
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Last year, it was after another khalvat that Ahmadinejad announced his intention to stand for president. Now, he boasts that the Imam gave him the presidency for a single task: provoking a "clash of civilisations" in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the "infidel" West, led by the United States, and defeats it in a slow but prolonged contest that, in military jargon, sounds like a low intensity, asymmetrical war.

In Ahmadinejad's analysis, the rising Islamic "superpower" has decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations. Hundreds of millions of Muslim "ghazis" (holy raiders) are keen to become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world's oil reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting, is hated by most other nations.

According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by Ahmadinejad's strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the "Dr Kissinger of Islam", President George W Bush is an aberration, an exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman, when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have "run away". Iran's current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by "divine coincidence", corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel enjoys.

Moments after Ahmadinejad announced "the atomic miracle", the head of the Iranian nuclear project, Ghulamreza Aghazadeh, unveiled plans for manufacturing 54,000 centrifuges, to enrich enough uranium for hundreds of nuclear warheads. "We are going into mass production," he boasted.

The Iranian plan is simple: playing the diplomatic game for another two years until Bush becomes a "lame-duck", unable to take military action against the mullahs, while continuing to develop nuclear weapons.
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Yes, even among the more moderate populace the notion of pride in nuclear power is deeply ingrained, in principle I don't have a problem with the nation being a nuclear power - if it wasn't being run by theocrats.
I agree that theocracy + nuclearization makes a nasty combo, but militant chauvinist nationalism + nuclearization wouldn't make me rest much easier, and to that extent Iranian nationalism also concerns me in and of itself. Clearly, an aggressive sense of historic entitlement to be a major player in Middle Eastern and Central Asian affairs lingers on, as well as a hostile sense of grievance over how the US/Israel/Europe have muscled in on what they see as their rightful sphere of influence. Even if by some miracle the Islamist regime were overthrown and replaced with a (likely authoritarian-leaning) "democratic" regime a year from now, I would still be very nervous about their nuclear goals. Just as I would be very nervous about the Hindu nationalists returning to power in India, even though they are not theocratic, terrorist, nor martydom-fixated per se.
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Old 04-17-2006, 07:26 AM   #8
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I "get" secular authoritarian governments their actions can for the most part be boiled down to self-interest and ego. The desire of self preservation is a good check to the ammount of damage that any state is willing to inflict. But those who believe in bringing about the rapture, it is such a demented belief, I can see where they are coming from (faith, namely a belief in a time of judgement when the most righteous, them, will be saved and enjoy the rule of a messianic figure spreading their utopia across the world) and it just feels wrong, the most detestable apects of belief and ones that most certainly predate the Bush administration.

Even if relatively sane factions in the upper echelons ensure that Irans weapons are never launched west we can clearly see that the nuclear genie is out of the bottle, all the expertise and material leaked over the AQ Khan network can be bought for the right price, no doubt Iran will have similar leaks and an era of hyperproliferation may ensue, a very good time to be far removed from Eurasia.

May we see an end of the war on terror as a transition to a long term struggle against an Islamic Superpower with a degree of nuclear parity in the intermediate future? The biggest stops to that is the innovation and military ethic of the liberal democratic tradition and the technological shift away from fossil fuels (the lifeblood and leverage in international affairs).
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This guy scares the out of me. He's a pathological character in charge of a prosperous country.
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There was an opinion piece in the SF chronicle from a week ago, talking about how nuking would not be such a bad idea?? I dont think it's a smart move, unless all european nations and asian nations agreed to this.
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I don't like the idea of nuking Iran at all. That would kill way too many innocent people. Don't forget, Iran has a fairly large opposition movement. It's not Iraq, the situation is very different as Sting2 has made some excellent posts about.
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I think the Pres. of Iran needs to be taken out, even if that meant a soldier doing a suicide mission. Thing's are just going to get worse with this man in power. All he needs is an alliance with North Korea, Syria, Palestine and the Iraqi insurgents.
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Iran has been buying N-Korean missiles , has bought out Hamas (a great example of Shiite and Sunni working together), has grabbed a western frontier ally with Syria and has been sending explosives and weapons to insurgents in Southern Iraq.
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So there you have it. Why shouldn't the europeans and Americans do something about this????????????
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Old 04-17-2006, 07:55 PM   #15
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What could any European power do? Stall action in the UN for another 3 years by taking promises from the regime seriously?

Because lots of people will die if any action is taken or no action is taken is good reason to not take action, lest responsibilty fall upon them, of course one may be fairly resigned to the fact that many more people will die so ultimately we can look back at this and laugh, bitterly.
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