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Old 06-24-2005, 09:31 AM   #16
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I think that if there was no Monica Lewinsky scandal, then Clinton would have been seen as one of the greatest presidents. But why does it matter what Clinton did with his private life? Just because he is the president means he has to live a perfect life?
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It may be something to do with the fact that Clinton observed the basic precepts of international law, the Geneva convention, etc.
And yet occasionally ignored federal law when it came to his own people; the people of this nation whom had sworn to protect.
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I think that if there was no Monica Lewinsky scandal, then Clinton would have been seen as one of the greatest presidents. But why does it matter what Clinton did with his private life? Just because he is the president means he has to live a perfect life?
So what if bush had a scandal like that?
Just a question
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The truth is that most liberaals probably wouldn't care, because they seem to find nothing wrong with a man using the power the American people entrusted to him, to seduce young women less than half his age, and using tax-payed facilities as the location for cheating on his wife. They don't even seem to care that he lied to a federal grand jury about it.
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And yet occasionally ignored federal law when it came to his own people; the people of this nation whom had sworn to protect.
And by having the affair with Monica, he failed to protect his people? Those are unrelated things....


Bush on the other hand received a report on his desk from the CIA discussing Bin Laden's plan to attack US destinations with airplanes. Mohammed Atta was caught by police before the 9/11 attacks and the FBI let him go. THAT IS FAILURE TO PROTECT YOUR PEOPLE!
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The truth is that most liberaals probably wouldn't care, because they seem to find nothing wrong with a man using the power the American people entrusted to him, to seduce young women less than half his age, and using tax-payed facilities as the location for cheating on his wife. They don't even seem to care that he lied to a federal grand jury about it.
FUCK THOSE PINKO-COMMIE-NAZI-TREE HUGGIN'-HOMO LOVIN' LIBERALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

AND NO....IT'S NOT CONTRADICTING TO BE A COMMIE AND A NAZI.




Can someone please explain to me why the Monica Lewinsky scandal affected the way he governed our country. Looking at my stocks from the 90's, looking at the value of the dollar, looking at the effectiveness of homeland security.......doesn't seem like Monica Lewinsky negatively impacted America.
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fg, in case you missed my point, I'll express it again.

People are suddenly up in arms over perceived abuses of power by the Bush admin, as if the Bush admin had somehow invented abuse of power. Why is that, when Clinton and Janet Reno were responsible for things like Ruby Ridge and Waco?

not quite apples to oranges ... more like acorns to oak trees.
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Clinton: Biggest deficit to biggest surplus
Bush: Biggest surplus to biggest deficit

Clinton: Rising value of dollar
Bush: Falling value of dollar

Clinton: More jobs created than lost.
Bush: More jobs lost than crated.
clinton economic boom: started durring end of h.w. bush's term
w. bush's recession- started durring end of clinton's term with the popping of the dot.com bubble

eh.. but who's counting.

the rise and fall of the economy had nothing to do with either clinton nor bush. the economy is cyclical... it goes up, it goes down.

and low and behold, it's slowly been going up over the last year.

and i'm not a betting man, but something tells me that sometime in the next 10-12 years, it's gonna go down again. just a hunch.
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I'll take the eight years of unprecedented economic prosperity we had under Clinton back in a heart beat. If he wants to get a BJ, whatever, just as long as he improves his taste in women.

FYI, it was Bush that sent the troops to Somalia:

With only weeks left in his term as president, George Bush responds to the UN request, proposing that US combat troops lead an international UN force to secure the environment for relief operations. On December 5, the UN accepts his offer, and Bush orders 25,000 US troops into Somalia. On December 9th, the first US Marines land on the beach.

Bush assures the American people and troops involved that this is not an open ended commitment; the objective is to quickly provide a secure environment so that food can get through to the starving Somalis, and then the operation will be turned over to the UN peacekeeping forces. He assures the public that he plans for the troops to be home by Clinton's inauguration in January.
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And by having the affair with Monica, he failed to protect his people? Those are unrelated things....
Dude, read what I wrote. I clearly outlined earlier in the thread what the "failure to protect his people" was, and it wasn't Monica. The failure to protect his people came when he allowed his feds to murder a 13 year old, fleeing boy and unarmed woman at Ruby Ridge, and the when he allowed his feds to attack a compound full of innocent women and Children that eventually resulted in most of their deaths. It was also "failure to protect his people" when he didn't allow his soldiers in Somalia to fire their weapons, even in defense.

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Bush on the other hand received a report on his desk from the CIA discussing Bin Laden's plan to attack US destinations with airplanes.
Did he? Or is that just unsubstantiated rumor? And was it on his desk, or someone else's? And did it include specifics, or just general warnings, like the kind the president gets every single day?

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Mohammed Atta was caught by police before the 9/11 attacks and the FBI let him go. THAT IS FAILURE TO PROTECT YOUR PEOPLE!
Did this really happen? If so, decide what you want. One one hand, liberals don't want people being held if there is no evidence against them, but now you say Mohammed Atta should have been held. Which way do you want it?
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The truth is that most liberaals probably wouldn't care, because they seem to find nothing wrong with a man using the power the American people entrusted to him, to seduce young women less than half his age, and using tax-payed facilities as the location for cheating on his wife. They don't even seem to care that he lied to a federal grand jury about it.


you're right, i don't care. i really don't. he can fuck whoever he wants, so long as he doesn't fuck up the country and/or the world. i don't look to the president to provide me with some sort of moral compass (good gosh, imagine, looking to a *politician* for morality!!!), but i do look for a president to govern effectively.

this would be a different matter, however, if one could prove the exchange of sexual favors for either political influence or political advancement. my understanding is that there was none of that beyond what a typical white house intern might receive as a result of having that on her resume.

and still, the exchange of sexual favors for some kind of advancement, while deplorable, shrinks in comparison to what the Bush administration has done.
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FYI, it was Bush that sent the troops to Somalia:

With only weeks left in his term as president, George Bush responds to the UN request, proposing that US combat troops lead an international UN force to secure the environment for relief operations. On December 5, the UN accepts his offer, and Bush orders 25,000 US troops into Somalia. On December 9th, the first US Marines land on the beach.


Clinton received the blame for Somalia, but as a friend of mine (who is rather into Mogadishu) aptly puts it, "It was a political football left over from the Bush administration."
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Did he? Or is that just unsubstantiated rumor? And was it on his desk, or someone else's? And did it include specifics, or just general warnings, like the kind the president gets every single day?


it said "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE WITHIN THE U.S."

this memo is common knowledge and was circulated in august 2001.
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FUCK THOSE PINKO-COMMIE-NAZI-TREE HUGGIN'-HOMO LOVIN' LIBERALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

AND NO....IT'S NOT CONTRADICTING TO BE A COMMIE AND A NAZI.

Remember folks, it wasn't I who said that - it was unosdostres14.

In fact, I didn't even imply it.

I simply stated a fact. Liberals don't seem to care about Clinton's affair with Monica, or even that he lied to a federal grand jury about it. Am I wrong? Does any perosn who identifies themself as a liberal care about these things?
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FUCK THOSE PINKO-COMMIE-NAZI-TREE HUGGIN'-HOMO LOVIN' LIBERALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

AND NO....IT'S NOT CONTRADICTING TO BE A COMMIE AND A NAZI.




Can someone please explain to me why the Monica Lewinsky scandal affected the way he governed our country. Looking at my stocks from the 90's, looking at the value of the dollar, looking at the effectiveness of homeland security.......doesn't seem like Monica Lewinsky negatively impacted America.


The only point I was trying to make was what do you think the difference in reaction would be with Bush as compared to Clinton
People would attack Bushes faith, saying that his professed faith in God and love for his wife are bullshit. I believe that people probably would have a different reaction in other words
If Bush lied under oath people would be in uproar
Whereas a lot of people sat in their livingrooms and laughed at the TV while watching the Clinton news.
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