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Old 11-23-2004, 06:28 AM   #16
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Actually, I don't think birthplace should determine a person's right to run for president. Generally I think the law is ridiculous and they should change it, but there is always a card to play concerning a foreign-born person alot of people don't want in the White House. For a long time it was Kissinger, now it's Schwarzenegger.
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and for all you Democrats .... the "arnold amendment" would allow us to get the very lovely and talented Jennifer Granholm, governor of Michigan (and Canadian). she's a perfect, perfect VP candidate -- female, successful, and from a Midwestern sort of swing state.
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I think one must be careful about ammending the constitution, it's not just a piece of paper. I agree being born here doesn't make a lot of sense as a qualifier. But one guy with a little bit of clout comes along and asks for it to change to suit his needs. Ok so we change it, then another person comes along gets a little clout and says that the minimum 14 years of living here doesn't make sense for me. So we change it, next thing we know someone slips under the radar wins the presidency and destroys are country from within. I know this is an extreme case, but hopefully you see my point. I agree we should ammend our constitution with the changing of times, that's one of the beauties of our constitution. But for one man? A change in the constitution should benefit all. We don't want people changing the constitution because one guy comes in this group really likes him so then they change term limits so he can stay longer, then make a few more changes next thing we know we have a dictator.
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as this also relates to other recent proposals to change the constitution, i thought i'd let television's most intelligent show, The Simpsons, offer us a bit of insight:

[Little Boy] Hey, who left all this garbage on the steps of Congress?

[Amendment] I'm not garbage
I'm an amendment to be
Yes, an amendment to be
And I'm hoping that they'll ratify me
There's a lot of flag-burners who have got too much freedom
I want to make it legal for policemen to beat 'em
'Cause there's limits to our liberties
At least, I hope and pray that there are
'Cause those liberal freaks go too far

[Little Boy] But why can't we just make a law against flag burning?

[Amendment] Because that law would be unconstitutional
But if we change the constitution -

[Little Boy] - Then we could make all sorts of crazy laws!

[Amendment] Now you're catching on!

[Little Boy] But what if they say you're not good enough to be in the constitution?

[Amendment] Then I'll crush all opposition to me!
And I'll make Ted Kennedy pay
If he fights back, I'll say that he's gay

[Congressman] Good news, amendment! They ratified you!
You're in the US Constitution!

[Amendment] Oh, yeah! Door's open, boys!
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One of the greatest shows ever.
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Old 11-23-2004, 04:28 PM   #21
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Damn straight, and that little cartoon designed to appeal to Gen-X-ers also had the wonderfull reference to St. Curley.
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mmmmmmm........the simpsons......




hey, A!
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Get that constitutional amendment through and the flood gates will be opened and then what will you get?

U2 Democrat / A_Wanderer united party ticket 2032


We'll have to have a paxetaurora/DaveC Democratic ticket to run against you!

I suppose that might settle this once and for all.
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Old 11-23-2004, 05:53 PM   #24
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I always thought that was the most idiotic part of our government....only 2 main partys?? That's like having a jury with an even number of poeple! Where's the tie-breaker? The U.S. is too stupid to change though so I'll believe it when I see it.

I don't agree with changing the natural-born president thing though.
If people want to win badly enough, they're naturally going to make alliances and compromises until there are two or fewer main political parties.
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Arnold for President!
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arnold is
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As posted previously - the Constitution is a very sacred document, not to be changed and amended at the whim of any ol' rich politician. It’s spookin the heck outta me that he may actually get this thru.
I live in California and im dumbfounded every time I see Arnold on TV, hes the most slimy and despicable type of political (thats pretty bad aint it? or just redundant... ummm?) He ran under the Republican Party but will support anything he finds to be popular and will boost his own numbers. You can’t even say he follows the Republican party line of less gov’t cause he supports bonds and other types of measures that expand bureaucracy. Whatever will make him look good is the policy he goes by.
The whole stem cell thing was a joke - it wasn’t just saying "California is cool with stem cell research!" it was "Hey Biotech come to California, we fund you up to $350 MILLION dollars for your stem cell research on the backs of the California tax payers!" Yet the commercials for this proposition would have every slightly naive Californian believing a no vote would be equal to killing millions of Christopher Reeves in one punch of a voter card. Disgusting. blah.
I think the thing that spooks me most about him, he can win votes. His ability to be pro choice, pro business and talk to the lowest common denominator of voter ... works...

I don’t know if you can tell, but I don’t like Arnold. Not one bit.
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why is the constitution such sacred text? i don't understand why people feel this way. many western countries don't even have a constitution. in addition, the framers of said document fashioned it in such a way to welcome change. and, actually that is why the document is so cool, it wasn't meant to remain the same - supposed to static
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why is the constitution such sacred text? i don't understand why people feel this way. many western countries don't even have a constitution. in addition, the framers of said document fashioned it in such a way to welcome change. and, actually that is why the document is so cool, it wasn't meant to remain the same - supposed to static

[Little Boy] But why can't we just make a law against flag burning?

[Amendment] Because that law would be unconstitutional
But if we change the constitution -

[Little Boy] - Then we could make all sorts of crazy laws!

[Amendment] Now you're catching on!

[Amendment] Then I'll crush all opposition to me!
And I'll make Ted Kennedy pay
If he fights back, I'll say that he's gay

[Congressman] Good news, amendment! They ratified you!
You're in the US Constitution!

[Amendment] Oh, yeah! Door's open, boys!



that's why.
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that implies that all the laws set in motion by the original text are sufficient for the rest of america's perverbial life. It's a shame i guess that that "crazy laws" like outlawing slavery were added to the original. the constitution has within it a portion known as the elasticity clause. the framers knew that times change, subsequently additions, negations etc would need to take place. It's only been in the last ten or so years that we have been afraid of touching the constitution. in addition, it's not very easy for ammendments or clauses to be ratified. i think like two-thirds in congress need to ratify as do two-thirds of the states. someone with the exact info please feel free to correct me on the ratification process.
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