after Bush: how to restore the dignity of the United States

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how to undo the damage that has been done by a man who's done more to destroy the credibility of the United States than any other in our history:


[q]Ten Steps to Restore the United States' Moral Authority

A Common Sense Agenda for the 110th Congress

(1) Restore Habeas Corpus

Perhaps the most important protection against the arbitrary exercise of executive power, the writ of habeas corpus ensures that all persons can challenge the legality of their detention before an independent court. The Military Commissions Act of 2006, as interpreted by the current administration, would deprive any non-citizen labeled “enemy combatant” of this centuries-old right. A vote to protect the habeas rights of detainees in US military custody lost in the Senate by just three votes in September. Restoring habeas corpus to ensure judicial review of detentions and provide an important independent check on executive power should be a first order of business for the new Congress.

(2) Stop Renditions to Torture

The United States made great strides when, in 2005, it enacted the McCain Amendment prohibiting the use of torture or cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment by any US official acting anywhere in the world. Now the United States needs to get out of the business of outsourcing torture and ill- treatment to other countries. Congress should pass legislation to protect detainees in US custody from being transferred to abuse.

(3) Abolish Secret Prisons

Although the US has long criticized other nations for engaging in forced disappearances – imprisoning people in secret – the Bush administration continues to assert the right to do so. While the administration claims to have emptied its secret CIA prisons for the time being, it has not ruled out their future use nor accounted for all the prisoners who are believed to have been secretly detained. Congress should pass legislation to ensure that the secret detention centers are shut down permanently and that no one in US custody is forcibly disappeared or otherwise held incommunicado. Congress should also demand an accounting of the whereabouts of all those formerly held in secret locations.

(4) Hold Abusers Accountable

Although more than six hundred US military and civilian personnel have been implicated in hundreds of known instances of detainee abuse, including 25 cases where the detainee ultimately died, very few have been prosecuted. Only eleven service members have been sentenced for more than a year – all low-ranking; no one has been convicted on the basis of command responsibility; and only one civilian – a contractor to the CIA – has been prosecuted. Congress should demand that the Pentagon and Department of Justice vigorously prosecute those responsible for engaging in, authorizing or condoning detainee mistreatment, including those up the chain of command. This would deter future abuse and demonstrate to the world the US’s condemnation of such ill-treatment.

(5) Hold Fair Trials

In October, the Congress authorized the use of military commissions to try non-citizen detainees in US military custody. The rules for these commissions raise serious concerns about the integrity and fairness of such trials. Of particular concern, the rules allow the use of coerced evidence and evidence obtained through cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment if obtained before January 2006 and found “reliable” by a military judge, and also allow the government to withhold from defense lawyers information about how the evidence was obtained. As a result of these provisions, defendants could be convicted based on the wide array of so-called “enhanced” interrogation techniques allegedly employed by the CIA – techniques including extended exposure to extreme cold, prolonged sleep deprivation, and “waterboarding” (mock drowning). Congress should amend these rules to ensure that detainees are not convicted – and possibly executed – based on evidence obtained through torture or other abusive treatment, are provided a fair opportunity to confront their accusers and are given a meaningful chance to gather and present evidence and witnesses.

(6) Prohibit Abusive Interrogations

In the Military Commissions Act, Congress amended the War Crimes Act of 1996, specifying a list of eight “grave breaches” of the humane treatment requirements of the Geneva Conventions that constitute war crimes. Two of the primary authors of the Military Commissions Act, Senators John Warner and John McCain, have publicly stated that they intended to criminalize the abusive interrogation techniques allegedly used by the CIA in the past. But the administration continues to imply that it could continue the CIA secret detention program – and presumably the abusive interrogations that go with it. Congress should clarify that the full range of abusive interrogation techniques that have been prohibited for use by the military’s new field manual on interrogations are similar prohibited – and criminalized – if used by the CIA.

(7) Close Guantánamo Bay

The US continues to hold close to 400 detainees in Guantanámo Bay, many of whom have been held for five years without charge and without access to court to challenge the legality of their detention. Those detainees who have engaged in terrorism-related crimes should be charged and held accountable; those who are not charged with criminal acts should be released. The administration should work with its allies to develop appropriate procedures in accordance with U.S. and international human rights and humanitarian obligations to ensure that detainees are not returned to countries where they face torture or abuse. Congress should hold oversight hearings about the future of Guantanamo, and push the administration to put forth a plan for its closure.

(8) Respect the Laws of War

The US’s unilateral reinterpretation of the Geneva Conventions to support its questionable detention policies undermines respect for the rule of law around the world and puts US service members and civilians at risk if US’s policies and practices are adopted by others. Of particular concern, the US Congress in October enacted (in the Military Commissions Act) an overbroad definition of “unlawful enemy combatant” that turns a civilian munitions worker, a mother who provides food to her combatant son, and a US resident accused of giving money to a banned group into “combatants” who can be detained without charge in military custody or tried by a military court. The new Congress should strike this definition of “unlawful enemy combatant” and reaffirm the US’s longstanding commitment to the civilian – rather than military – courts to prosecute civilians who violate the law.

(9) Protect Victims of Persecution From Being Defined As Terrorists

The United States will never be able to effectively fight terrorism if it cannot distinguish between terrorists and victims. Yet, overbroad terrorism-related bars in US immigration law are now being used to define innocent victims as terrorists – and denying them entry to the United States. Hmong and Montagnards are being labeled as terrorists solely because they took up arms alongside the United States during the Vietnam War. Rape victims who were forced into sexual slavery by West African rebel groups are being labeled “material supporters” of terrorism because they performed household chores while enslaved. Congress should adopt a reasonable definition of terrorism that does not equate victims with terrorists and define any armed group as terrorist, even if it does not target civilians.


(10) End Indefinite Detention Without Charge

Ever since 9/11, the Bush administration has relied on a variety of means to detain individuals indefinitely and without charge. The material witness warrant law – a law that allows the government to temporarily detain key witnesses who pose credible flight risks – has been misused to detain dozens of terrorism-related suspects, some of whom were held for months without charge. Now, the administration is improperly invoking the “enemy combatant” label to justify the indefinite detention without charge of Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, a lawful US resident who since the eve of his trial for credit card fraud in 2003 has been held in a military brig in South Carolina. Congress should use its oversight authority and pass legislation that will prevent the administration from evading basic due process protections, and, in so doing, undermine respect for fundamental human rights and the rule of law. [/q]
 
Unfortunately that only deals with war and terrorism. What about everything else that went to shit from being neglected? Health care, education, the whole situation in New Orleans, environmental initiatives, foreign aid......
 
A Common Sense Agenda for Islamic Fascists

(1) Restore Rights for Women

(2) Stop the slaughtering of civilians

(3) Abolish terrorist training camps

(4) Hold extremist Mullah’s accountable

(5) Stop defiling churches and synagogues

(6) Prohibit using power drills to torture enemies

(7) Close extremist mosques

(8) Stop blowing up planes and flying them into buildings

(9) Stop seeking the destruction of Israel and United States

(10) End the sawing off of heads while shouting “Allah Ackbar!”
 
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** DISCLAIMER **

My reply is my personal opinion and is in no way a personal attack against Irvine or anyone else on this board.

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Irvine, after reading the manifesto in your post I would like to rephrase the question....

"How can we guarantee the victory of worldwide terrorism and allow Al-Qaida agents unlimited access to our country?
How can we make sure that they will not be hindered by stupid laws meant to prevent them from attacking the United States at will.....?
How can we guarantee the re-occurance of 9/11 with even MORE casualties while making sure that the perpertrators go unpunished?
"

It's ALL in the enclosed manifesto.

*sigh*

I DREAD the day George Bush leaves office.......
 
AchtungBono said:
** DISCLAIMER **

My reply is my personal opinion and is in no way a personal attack against Irvine or anyone else on this board.

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Irvine, after reading the manifesto in your post I would like to rephrase the question....

"How can we guarantee the victory of worldwide terrorism and allow Al-Qaida agents unlimited access to our country?
How can we make sure that they will not be hindered by stupid laws meant to prevent them from attacking the United States at will.....?
How can we guarantee the re-occurance of 9/11 with even MORE casualties while making sure that the perpertrators go unpunished?
"

It's ALL in the enclosed manifesto.

*sigh*

I DREAD the day George Bush leaves office.......

But the terrorist attacks happened while Bush was in office.
 
And the perpretators remain unpunished and apparently unsought with or without the "stupid laws".
 
AchtungBono said:
** DISCLAIMER **

My reply is my personal opinion and is in no way a personal attack against Irvine or anyone else on this board.

++++++

Irvine, after reading the manifesto in your post I would like to rephrase the question....

"How can we guarantee the victory of worldwide terrorism and allow Al-Qaida agents unlimited access to our country?
How can we make sure that they will not be hindered by stupid laws meant to prevent them from attacking the United States at will.....?
How can we guarantee the re-occurance of 9/11 with even MORE casualties while making sure that the perpertrators go unpunished?
"

It's ALL in the enclosed manifesto.

*sigh*

I DREAD the day George Bush leaves office.......




the whole reason we are supposedly fighting these islamist fascists is to DEFEND the 10 points i've made above. if we're going to say that, yes, Western society is better because we have freedom of religion, equal rights between the races religions and genders, separation of church and state, and that our laws are better -- in short, that our society is actually better -- why would you destroy or suspend the very things about out socety that we're supposed to be fighting to preserve?

and habeus corpus a "stupid law"?

please, go back and reconsider that.
 
AchtungBono said:
** DISCLAIMER **

My reply is my personal opinion and is in no way a personal attack against Irvine or anyone else on this board.

++++++

Irvine, after reading the manifesto in your post I would like to rephrase the question....

"How can we guarantee the victory of worldwide terrorism and allow Al-Qaida agents unlimited access to our country?
How can we make sure that they will not be hindered by stupid laws meant to prevent them from attacking the United States at will.....?
How can we guarantee the re-occurance of 9/11 with even MORE casualties while making sure that the perpertrators go unpunished?
"

It's ALL in the enclosed manifesto.

*sigh*

I DREAD the day George Bush leaves office.......

What good ever came out of fear-mongering? Seriously.

Torture? Prison camps? Circus trials in kangaroo courts? That's piss-pot 3rd world dictator stuff. Is that what Bush's legacy will be? This man & his administration have shamed our country...justify it all you want. I guess that's the Right's strategy against terrorism...become the terrorists.
 
still, all of the above is well and good and all, but i'm really more concerned with the rights of JetBlue customers.
 
2 September 2004

Victory in the War on Terror

By Gwynne Dyer

"With the right policies, this is a war we can win, this is a war
we must win, and this is a war we will win," said Democratic presidential
candidate John Kerry in Tennessee on 31 August. "The war on terrorism is
absolutely winnable," repeated his vice-presidential running mate, Senator
John Edwards. That is utter drivel, and they must privately know it, but
truth generally loses to calculated lies in politics.

This outburst of bravado was prompted by President George W. Bush's
brief brush with the truth about terrorism the previous weekend, when he
told an interviewer that he did not really think you can win the war on
terror, but that conditions could be changed in ways that would make
terrorists less acceptable in certain parts of the world. For a moment
there, you glimpsed a functioning intellect at work. Such honesty rarely
goes unpunished in politics.

This heroic attempt to grapple with reality was a welcome departure
from Mr Bush's usual style -- "I have a clear vision of how to win the war
on terror and bring peace to the world," he was claiming as recently as 30
August -- and so his opponents pounced on it at once. "What if President
Reagan had said that it may be difficult to win the war against Communism?"
asked John Edwards, in one of the least credible displays of indignation in
American history.

Mr Bush promptly fled back to the safe terrain of hypocrisy and
patriotic lies. "We meet today in a time of war for our country, a war we
did not start, yet one that we will win," he told a veterans' conference in
Nashville on 1 September. But it is not "a time of war" for the United
States, and it cannot "win.".

Some 140,000 young American soldiers are trapped in a neo-colonial
war in Iraq (where there were no terrorists until the US invasion), but
their casualties are typical of colonial wars: fewer than one percent
killed a year. As for the three hundred million Americans at home, exactly
as many of them have been killed by terrorists since 9/11 as have been
killed by the Creature from the Black Lagoon in the same period. None.

The rhetoric of a "war on terror" have been useful to the Bush
administration, and terrorism now bulks inordinately large in any media
where the agenda is set by American perspectives. On the front page of the
International Herald Tribune that carried the story on Mr Bush's return to
political orthodoxy on terrorism, four of the other five stories were also
about terrorism: "Twin bus bombs kill 16 in Israel," "Blast leaves 8 dead
in Moscow subway," "12 Nepal hostages slain in Iraq," and "French hold
hectic talks on captives."

In other words, thirty-six of the quarter-million people who died
on this planet on the 31st of August were killed by terrorists: close to
one in eight thousand. No wonder the IHT headlined its front page "A
Deadly Day of Terror." Although it would have been on firmer statistical
ground if it had substituted the headline "A Deadly Day for Swimming" or
even "A Deadly Day for Falling Off Ladders."

Actually, more than 36 people were killed by "terrorists" on 31
August -- perhaps as many as fifty or sixty. The rest were just killed in
wars that the United States is not all that interested in: in Nepal, in
Peru, in Burundi, and in other out-of-the-way countries where the local
guerrillas are not Muslims and have no imaginable links with the terrorists
who attacked the United States.

Governments that are fighting Muslim rebels, like the Palestinians
in the Israeli-occupied territories or the Chechens in Russia, have had
more success in tying their local counter-insurgency struggles to the US
"war on terror," but that only means that Washington doesn't criticise
their human rights violations so much. The only terrorists that the United
States government really worries about -- and this would be equally true
under a Kerry administration -- are terrorists who attack Americans. There
aren't that many of them, and they aren't that dangerous.

George W. Bush spoke the truth, briefly, at the end of August, when
he said that the "war on terror" cannot be won. It cannot be won OR lost,
because it is only a metaphor, not an actual war. It is like the "war on
crime," another metaphor. Nobody ever expected that the "war on crime"
would one day end in a surrender ceremony where all the criminals come out
with their hands up, and afterwards there is no more crime. It is a
STATISTICAL operation, and success is measured by how successful you are in
getting the crime RATE down. Same goes for terrorism.

You could do worse than to listen to Stella Rimington, the former
director of MI5, Britain's intelligence agency for domestic operations:
"I'm afraid that terrorism didn't begin on 9/11 and it will be around for a
long time. I was very surprised by the announcement of a war on terrorism
because terrorism has been around for thirty-five years...[and it] will be
around while there are people with grievances. There are things we can to
improve the situation, but there will always be terrorism. One can be
misled by talking about a war, as though in some way you can defeat it."
As Mr Bush said before his handlers got the muzzle back on.
 
Well we do have that "war on drugs", that's kicking ass too...in fact, compared to the war on drugs the war on terror is going swimmingly.
 
A comparison to what happened to piracy in the 18th Century may be apt; but in truth the war on terrorism is a fallacy, it is a war on Islamism.
 
AchtungBono said:
** DISCLAIMER **

My reply is my personal opinion and is in no way a personal attack against Irvine or anyone else on this board.

++++++

Irvine, after reading the manifesto in your post I would like to rephrase the question....

"How can we guarantee the victory of worldwide terrorism and allow Al-Qaida agents unlimited access to our country?
How can we make sure that they will not be hindered by stupid laws meant to prevent them from attacking the United States at will.....?
How can we guarantee the re-occurance of 9/11 with even MORE casualties while making sure that the perpertrators go unpunished?
"

It's ALL in the enclosed manifesto.

*sigh*

I DREAD the day George Bush leaves office.......

Wow. That's really something. I don't know what to be more in awe of - the response itself or the view of reality, human rights and freedom that would create such a response.
 
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