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Old 09-14-2005, 09:38 PM   #1
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Affluent Congressman Used National Guard to Visit His Property, Grab Belongings

[Q]Sept. 13, 3005 — Amid the chaos and confusion that engulfed New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina struck, a congressman used National Guard troops to check on his property and rescue his personal belongings — even while New Orleans residents were trying to get rescued from rooftops, ABC News has learned. [/Q]


SO is it a black and white issue? Or is it a poor verses affluent issue?





Here is the 8 Term Congressman that saved his own shit, while people needed rescuing.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKa...1123495&page=1
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It's definitely not black vs. white, it's an affluent vs. poor thing. Shame on this jerk. This pisses me off.
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I think it's both.
Some are racists and so try to help white people before they help black people, others only care about who has the most money. Money is power.
And if you have enough money, your skin colour doesn't care.
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[Q]Now some fresh pickings from the Hurricane Grapevine:

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin (search) greeted President Bush when he arrived in Louisiana last night, and was at his side as he fielded questions on the Katrina relief efforts this morning. That quality time with the president, however, marks the mayor's first visit to the disaster area since Wednesday when Nagin pulled up stakes and moved his family to Dallas. The Dallas Morning News reports that Nagin has already bought a house in the city, and enrolled his daughter in school.

When the Mayor appeared on "Meet the Press" on Sunday from Dallas, he was never asked about his presence there, or his decision to move his family.
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Again...more proof that this is about ECONOMICS....



Hey Mayor.....Why didn't you put people on the AMTRAK train?

[Q]In fact, while the last regularly scheduled train out of town had left a few hours earlier, Amtrak had decided to run a "dead-head" train that evening to move equipment out of the city. It was headed for high ground in Macomb, Miss., and it had room for several hundred passengers. "We offered the city the opportunity to take evacuees out of harm's way," said Amtrak spokesman Cliff Black. "The city declined."

So the ghost train left New Orleans at 8:30 p.m., with no passengers on board.[/Q]

This is the same guy who led the charge attacking the Feds?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...1001529_4.html
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Re: Affluent Congressman Used National Guard to Visit His Property, Grab Belongings

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Here is the 8 Term Congressman that saved his own shit, while people needed rescuing.


And to Michael Moore and several FYMers who kept asking "where are all those helicopters?" let's note that one was deployed to The Honorable Congressman Jefferson's recovery mission after the military trucks got stuck:

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The Louisiana National Guard tells ABC News the truck became stuck as it waited for Jefferson to retrieve his belongings.

Two weeks later, the vehicle's tire tracks were still visible on the lawn.

The soldiers signaled to helicopters in the air for aid. Military sources say a Coast Guard helicopter pilot saw the signal and flew to Jefferson's home. The chopper was already carrying four rescued New Orleans residents at the time.

A rescue diver descended from the helicopter, but the congressman decided against going up in the helicopter, sources say. The pilot sent the diver down again, but Jefferson again declined to go up the helicopter.

After spending approximately 45 minutes with Jefferson, the helicopter went on to rescue three additional New Orleans residents before it ran low on fuel and was forced to end its mission.

"Forty-five minutes can be an eternity to somebody that is drowning, to somebody that is sitting in a roof, and it needs to be used its primary purpose during an emergency," said Hauer.

Coast Guard Cmdr. Brendan McPherson told ABC News, "We did have an aircraft that responded to a signal of distress where the congressman was located. The congressman did decline rescue at the time so the helicopter picked up three other people.
I have freinds and relatives from NOLA, middle class and upper class, who have not been allowed in to retrieve their belongings or even check on the status of their homes or apartments.

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I think it's both.
Some are racists and so try to help white people before they help black people, others only care about who has the most money. Money is power.
And if you have enough money, your skin colour doesn't care.
But what about the white folks in 90% white St. Bernard Parish who were ignored while helicopters flew over them to NOLA, as Dreadsox pointed out?

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Hey Mayor.....Why didn't you put people on the AMTRAK train?

[Q]In fact, while the last regularly scheduled train out of town had left a few hours earlier, Amtrak had decided to run a "dead-head" train that evening to move equipment out of the city. It was headed for high ground in Macomb, Miss., and it had room for several hundred passengers. "We offered the city the opportunity to take evacuees out of harm's way," said Amtrak spokesman Cliff Black. "The city declined."

So the ghost train left New Orleans at 8:30 p.m., with no passengers on board.[/Q]

This is the same guy who led the charge attacking the Feds?
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Re: Affluent Congressman Used National Guard to Visit His Property, Grab Belongings

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[Q]Sept. 13, 3005 — Amid the chaos and confusion that engulfed New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina struck, a congressman used National Guard troops to check on his property and rescue his personal belongings — even while New Orleans residents were trying to get rescued from rooftops, ABC News has learned. [/Q]


SO is it a black and white issue? Or is it a poor verses affluent issue?


Well not only that but it's a politician vs. the "average joe". Don't you think 90% or more politicians would do the same? Politicians have access to many things that even the richest of "average joes" have, and most abuse it.
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Bama...

I was thinking of my wife's Uncle who was trying to get a flight out on Sunday morning before Katrina hit.

The airport would not fly him out 24 hours before teh hurricane.

THe car rentals were gone.

I am sure he would have jumped on that train, rather than be stuck in the downtown area in a ballroom filled with over $1,00 people.
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All the politicians pull crap like that, race and/or affluence has nothing to do w/ it

like Jane not-so-swift and her helicopter
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Old 09-15-2005, 09:54 AM   #11
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Bama...

I was thinking of my wife's Uncle who was trying to get a flight out on Sunday morning before Katrina hit.

The airport would not fly him out 24 hours before teh hurricane.

THe car rentals were gone.

I am sure he would have jumped on that train, rather than be stuck in the downtown area in a ballroom filled with over $1,00 people.
My god the mistakes I make when I am headache hell....

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Jane Swift with her helecopter....I forgot about that.
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i fail to see why it's so suprising that politicians, white or black, save their own asses first.

i also fail to see why its so hard that race and class are inextricably intertwined in the US, and that racism isn't so easy to identify as someone calling someone a name or professing to hate people of a group; there's a thing called institutional racism, and structural racism, which often go hand-in-hand with poverty and the absence of economic opportunity. these things also afflict the white lower classes, absolutely, but our unspeakably racist history has much to do with ghettoized poverty, more than i think your average white person wants to admit.

and i understand that. i don't think for a minute any person in FYM, no matter your race or ethnicity, considers themselves racist. racism (as opposed to homophobia and sexism) is officially loathsome. however, i don't think people are necessarily aware of their (unchosen) part in an inherently racist class system. by saying "it's not about race it's about class" essentially absolves a white person from racial responsibility. on an individual level, i understand that.

i'll take myself: i'm white as can be (Swedish/Irish mix), my family is realtively new to this country (everyone immigrated in the 20th century), i've never uttered a racial epithet in my life and find the N-word to be the word that makes me most uncomfortable, i've dated people of all different races, my thesis advisor was an african, and i abide by the loose, politically correct rules of language. however, there is no escaping the fact that my family, and thus myself, would *most likely* not be in the same economic and educational position if we were African-American. especially in my grandparents generation. no one was going to tell my grandfather that they wouldn't hire him because of the color of his skin; no one called him "boy;" he never looked around and saw that people of his skin color held low-level jobs; he never saw people with his skin color attacked with fire hoses and police dogs in Alabama. basically, he never had any limits placed on his worldview or sense of possibility and opportunity that, especially in the past, are placed upon anyone who isn't a white male. this isn't to say that people can't pick themselves up out of poverty; this isn't to say that there aren't black people born into immense privilege; this isn't to say that there aren't white people who feel locked out and shut out from the American Dream. it is to say that, in aggregate, history is stacked in favor of white people. there's always been a middle man for white people. white people have always looked out for their own (there's always been Affirmative Action for white people).

so that's where i'm coming from. i think, again, we're conflating individual experiences with historical narratives. the two might conflict, but one's individual experience does not then either negate a historical narrative nor create a new one.

thus, race and class -- *especially* in the South, the nation's poorest region -- often have much to do with the other.
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I can't believe that the issue of poverty in America has only come up since Hurricane Katrina. Do Americans walk around with their eyes and ears closed. It was no suprise to me in Australia that there are lots of people in USA living in poverty. Black and White. I don't know how they class America as one of the richest countries when Americans still don't get good health care or good education oppurtunities. And there debt is in the Trillions.
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I can't believe that the issue of poverty in America has only come up since Hurricane Katrina. Do Americans walk around with their eyes and ears closed. It was no suprise to me in Australia that there are lots of people in USA living in poverty. Black and White. I don't know how they class America as one of the richest countries when Americans still don't get good health care or good education oppurtunities. And there debt is in the Trillions.


actually, our public education system varies widely, but our university system is by far the best in the world. i agree with you about health care though, but for those who have it, it's also the best in the world.

only about half the country walk around with their eyes and ears closed.

how is the poverty in Australia?
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I think there's alot of finger pointing going on. I believe the Mayor and Governor have done such a poor job that they should be fired from their jobs.
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