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Old 11-24-2004, 09:13 AM   #106
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Clearly understandable. I think the Vatican should allow married couples to use safe methods of birth control, although my guess is that they would all have to be pre-intercourse methods if this were allowed.
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:14 AM   #107
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i cannot actively practice in a church that remains willfully, obstinately blind to the 21st century.
I'm glad you brought this up. First of all, it's very hard to relate Jesus' message, or any positive message for that matter, to modern society, because so many people put other things before God in their lives. It could be politics (not against liberal Christians, but people who think politics are everything), pride, money, sex, drugs, alcohol, lust, hate... the list could go on forever.

Secondly, you're absolutely right when you say the problem is not the message, but the messengers. human nature has it that we interpret things differently. This gave us so many denominations in the church, and as believers we just have to accept that not all Christians believe a certain thing is a sin, faith is the only requirement to enter Heaven, all that good stuff. We have to love Catholics, Protestants, and non-believers as ourselves. We should also try to relate in a way that we have the same God, the same Savior, and the same relationship in Christ. Sometimes I'm guilty of not doing this, probably just as much as anyone else. I'm a sinner, as much as a non-believer, I deal with lust - among other things - more often than I'd like to admit. We deceive ourselves if we say that we have no sin, and the truth is not in us.

Thirdly, a lot of us have a hard time accepting that we can't really do anything to take away the sins of the world. We all believe that's not our power, but it's something we often tend to forget. The weight of the sin of the world is something that only Jesus can carry. The wages of sin is death, and he died on the cross for us. There's nothing man alone can do to take away the sin in the world.
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Old 11-24-2004, 01:18 PM   #108
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As a Christian, I don't find most birth control methods objectionable when they are used in a marriage, but I did hear that 8 women died when they used RU-486. This was some time ago, and it didn't really hit the news much. I think it's the type of birth control that matters, and also the type of relationship.
RU-486 is NOT birth control...it is a prescription-only medication that induces an abortion in women who are less than 46 days pregnant (that is, less than two months pregnant). Most of the RU-486 deaths resulted from women taking it AFTER 46 days of pregnancy--which it was NOT approved for.

Vioxx and Viagra probably have worse track records.
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RU-486 is NOT birth control...it is a prescription-only medication that induces an abortion in women who are less than 46 days pregnant (that is, less than two months pregnant). Most of the RU-486 deaths resulted from women taking it AFTER 46 days of pregnancy--which it was NOT approved for.

Vioxx and Viagra probably have worse track records.
Yes, absolutely. Thanks pax.
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Thanks for clearing that up.
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If a non-Catholic/non-liberal question is appropriate... What's with Verte and the number 76?
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OK, my screen name! As you know I do medieval re-enactment. One thing we do in this is come up with our own coat of arms, or the more accurate word for these are "devices". Anyway, there are rules about the colors we can use for these, and we use Old French names for them, just as the College of Heralds in England still does. "Vert" means green; I put an e on the end to make it feminine, and then 76 is sort of a patriotic thing, it's our country's birthday!
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Cool!
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OK, my screen name! As you know I do medieval re-enactment. One thing we do in this is come up with our own coat of arms, or the more accurate word for these are "devices". Anyway, there are rules about the colors we can use for these, and we use Old French names for them, just as the College of Heralds in England still does. "Vert" means green; I put an e on the end to make it feminine, and then 76 is sort of a patriotic thing, it's our country's birthday!
That's neat verte! I never knew that. Green is my favorite color.
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Ironically, my favorite color is blue, not green. Hell, my own device is blue and white. But I didn't want to use "azure", the word for blue, for some reason. So I didn't.
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Azure... I kinda like that. Sounds pretty modern in a way.
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