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Old 09-18-2005, 11:22 PM   #16
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*speechless*
not at your comment above - at this whole thing.
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sex offenders are something that's easy to talk about in the abstract, when it affects someone personally it gets a bit muddled I'd say

yes we are all entitled to legal protection (and I agree w/ that) but that's small comfort to a victim or a victim's family member
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Old 09-19-2005, 09:59 AM   #19
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sex offenders are something that's easy to talk about in the abstract, when it affects someone personally it gets a bit muddled I'd say

yes we are all entitled to legal protection (and I agree w/ that) but that's small comfort to a victim or a victim's family member
Agreed, although that's putting it mildly. With that, I shall bow out and leave this to the more abstract among us, having said more than enough in few words.
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but it's fairly simple. no matter how henious your crime, you are still entitled to the same legal right to a defense as anyone else. it's the preservation of the rights of the lowest of the low that ensures that the rights of all are protected.

i'm speechless that anyone could possibly take the ACLU and think that their defense of a sex offender is an endorsement of sexual offenses. that's simply stupid. is a lawyer who defends an axe murderer endosing the act of axe murdering? no! they're doing their job.

sheesh.
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thank you, Irvine.
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Defending our rights and liberties can be an ugly job sometimes.
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yes, it's terrible to think that the worst among us are still entitled to the same rights and protections of the legal system as the best among us.

let's shoot them instead. that's what Jesus would do.
Clever.

Did I read that right, though??
See I have this huge plank in my eye that seems to blur much as it keeps me busy as I try to remove it.
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it's like free speech.

because Larry Flint can publish whatever he wants, because the KKK can say whatever they want, i am free to say whatever i want. (beyond the obvious "fire in a crowded theater" distinctions).

it's also like the separation of church and state. it is precisely this separation and the existence of a secular government that allows everyone to practice their religion as boldly and as robustly as they see fit. if the state were to endorse a particular religion -- and, yes, even religion itself -- *that's* when you'd start to see the rolling back of all the religious freedoms you now enjoy.
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Thanks Irvine you're absolutely right.
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Sexual offenders generate the highest levels of NIMBY you can imagine. Politicians trying to translate this to broad-based laws end up with less than ideal solutions.

There are multiple principles addressed by the ACLU in this case (multiple punishments for crime, zoning, preemption), but the label "sex offender" makes the sexiest headline.
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There are multiple principles addressed by the ACLU in this case (multiple punishments for crime, zoning, preemption), but the label "sex offender" makes the sexiest headline.


absolutely. and it inspires maximum outrage.
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I always had a problem defending the ACLU. While most of the time they defended civili rights in cases I agreed, there were always a few that made me dislike the organization. Defense of the KKK and some other despicable types. Limbaugh included

Then the Patriot Act came along as did a more mature and tolerant view of the world. I also began to see much more gray than black and white, in many situations. So I'm now a card carrying member.

While, I dislike this particular issue, and I work with domestic and sexual crime victims, I still support their work.
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yes, it's terrible to think that the worst among us are still entitled to the same rights and protections of the legal system as the best among us.

let's shoot them instead. that's what Jesus would do.
If one of these scumbags did something to your child i bet you'd feel differently. Or is it just about "rights" and nothing else to you? What about the rights of children to feel safe in their own neighborhood from sick f@#ks like this? Or should we just wait until they do it again?As a christian, I find your comments about Jesus way off base. Sounds like you're stereotyping christians to be vigileantes. I thought liberal idealogy was AGAINST stereotyping? Oh wait, its okay to stereotype anyone who has an opposing point of view.
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They are going to live somewhere. There was a big lawsuit in a town in Ohio, that made so many stipulations that there was nowhere in town they could live.

Rehabiltaion?
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