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Old 09-18-2006, 02:19 PM   #136
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I would want my children to learn about it only from people whom I trust will meet the following criteria:

(1) Is a Christian who knows the contradictions between Islam and Christianity

(2) Has no bias whatsoever, and will just present the facts.


Here lies the contradiction. How is a Christian not going to have bias?
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Old 09-18-2006, 02:30 PM   #137
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given the comments in FYM of late, it seems we could all do with a little more education on the different religions of the world.
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given the comments in FYM of late, it seems we could all do with a little more education on the different religions of the world.
Didn't you just say in another thread that all religions are bad?
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Didn't you just say in another thread that all religions are bad?

i said all relgions have the potential for bad -- and this is more of an echo of one of A_W's posts: know your enemy.

simply because something has potential for apocalyptic destruction and nonsense does not mean we shouldn't learn about it.

good gravy.
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Old 09-18-2006, 02:43 PM   #140
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Here lies the contradiction. How is a Christian not going to have bias?
You're right; there is a contradiction. You see, I can admit when I'm wrong.

I meant to say:

I would want my children to learn about it only from people whom I trust will meet *one of* the following criteria:

(1) Is a Christian who knows the contradictions between Islam and Christianity

(2) Has no bias whatsoever, and will just present the facts.
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I quickly came to the conclusion that I'd have to devote some extra time to the study of Islam so that my students could have a proper context to understanding the issues in the region.

...The approach I take is to teach about the religion as its "mainstream" adherents understand it. I explain the religion as "they" would explain it. I think that's the only fair and the closest way to "neutrally" teach students about a religion.
I would be very interested to hear more about how you go about developing a curriculum for this, what resources you use (for both the students and yourself), etc. If I make tenure this year, I plan to take a sabbatical as soon as possible, and one of my projects for that time would be to take at least a couple courses in Islam myself--I've done some armchair reading of course, but it's utterly pathetic for someone who teaches South Asia to know as little about Islam overall as I do; unfortunately, none of my advisors ever suggested to me that courses in Hinduism (which I did take) wouldn't be adequate to prepare me to understand the religious backdrop to regional politics. I am so grateful that to date there has always been at least one SA Muslim student in all my classes where a knowledge of Islam is relevant.
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On a slightly different note, I know of an atheist public school teacher here in Saipan who routinely mocks, denigrates, and argues against Christianity in his history class, and I believe he is totally out of line and in violation of the seperation of church and state.
Completely agree here.
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Oh, and by the way, it's my understanding that an Arabic-speaking Christian would use the term Allah in reference to God, because that is the Arabic word for the one true Creator God of Abraham (as opposed to the generic "gods"). Unless you expect Arabic Christians to speak to English.
Good point; now that you mention it, I recall that many Mizrahi Jews will say "Allah" in nonliturgical contexts as well.
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Oh, and by the way, it's my understanding that an Arabic-speaking Christian would use the term Allah in reference to God, because that is the Arabic word for the one true Creator God of Abraham (as opposed to the generic "gods"). Unless you expect Arabic Christians to speak to English.
I would like to see an example of this.
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I would like to see an example of this.

There is quite a bit of evidence that points to the idea that Allah was the Arabian moon god.
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http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of...erms-in-arabic

The term is just the Arabic (via Aramaic I believe) for "God" and in fact predates Islam. Yes, like other words for God (including the word "God") it has pagan roots.
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http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of...erms-in-arabic

The term is just the Arabic (via Aramaic I believe) for "God" and in fact predates Islam. Yes, like other words for God (including the word "God") it has pagan roots.
One of those articles points out that Allah is sometimes used by former Muslims who are now Christians. I have to admit I am very surprised by this. However, I still doubt that many Arabic Christians who have never been Muslim and are not used to using the name would use the name, knowing that YHWH and Allah, while having many historical similarities are very different in a spiritual context.
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I think we're ignoring the elephant in the room here. The reason to teach about Islam is because Islam--especially the radical, extremist face of Islam--is all over the news right now. It's very much a part of what is going on in our world right now, a part of the history being made right now. Coincidentally, today I just started teaching a Geography unit plan on Southwest Asia (the Middle East) and I was thinking about this thread as we began the unit. (Now I teach in a church-run missionary school so teaching religion is not an issue for me obviously). And as we began talking about what the kids knew of the region, the topics of Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, the Taliban, and Osma Bin Laden came up. You can't talk about the issues in the region without dealing with Islam. You'd be remiss not to. And I quickly came to the conclusion that I'd have to devote some extra time to the study of Islam so that my students could have a proper context to understanding the issues in the region.
I can see that, if you are talking about it in the context of what is going on over there, and what role Islam plays in that conflict. However, there are many things in that curriculum that do not relate to the "current event context", really. For example, consider the exercise in which students are required to participate in the Islamic ritual of fasting, for even just one lunch break; how does that relate to the context you mentioned, how does it teach the children in their understanding of Islam's role in theh conflict or other current events?

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But the question that comes up, which I think you've been hinting at, is what exactly do you teach. You believe Islam to be a false religion (which, being a Christian I suppose I must agree with, though I don't care to use those words per se),
If you believe that it is a false religion, why would you not use those words? What words would you use?
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There is quite a bit of evidence that points to the idea that Allah was the Arabian moon god.
This has been a common attempt by some Christians to trivialize Islam. But religious scholars have dismissed this as ridiculous. The thinking behind it is tantamount to saying because Christianity's calendar, for example, is based on the movement of the sun, Jesus is a sun god.
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This has been a common attempt by some Christians to trivialize Islam. But religious scholars have dismissed this as ridiculous. The thinking behind it is tantamount to saying because Christianity's calendar, for example, is based on the movement of the sun, Jesus is a sun god.
Actually - it has nothing to do with Islam - the term predates Islam by hundreds, if not thousands of years.

In addition - there is very little in common with the way Christians and Muslims view God. No trivializing is necessary.
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If you believe that it is a false religion, why would you not use those words? What words would you use?
I'm on a lunch break that is about to end so I won't be able to respond to everything right away, so I'll start with the easy one.

The reason I wouldn't use those words is because they are inflammatory and imply more than I mean. In this world, there is already way too much inflammatory language, language that hits at the gut level, yanks on the emotions and cloulds peoples ability to hear what I have to say.

If I say "Islam is a false religion" I can be understood to imply that Muslims are fundamentally religiously bankrupt, that the religion is a farce and sham. I imply that there is NO truth found in the faith. I imply that followers of Islam are liars and decievers and should not be trusted.

Now I may not actually mean to communicate any of the above but using the inflammatory phrase "Islam is a false religion" may give that impression regardless of my intentions. I realize in our politically correct times, there is a bit of backlash against tact and humility, and inflammatory language has come to be viewed as some sort of courageous honesty and truth-telling. But I don't buy into that view any more than I buy into "political correctness."

I have several friends who are risking their lives to share their Christian faith in Muslim countries as they reach out to share the message of Jesus with the Muslims, I can assure you they do not go around saying "Your religion is false."
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The reason I wouldn't use those words is because they are inflammatory and imply more than I mean. In this world, there is already way too much inflammatory language, language that hits at the gut level, yanks on the emotions and cloulds peoples ability to hear what I have to say.
I'm not saying that when you meet a Muslim you should say "your religion is false". However, if you are sharing the Gospel with him/her, it will eventually have to come up, won't it?

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I have several friends who are risking their lives to share their Christian faith in Muslim countries as they reach out to share the message of Jesus with the Muslims, I can assure you they do not go around saying "Your religion is false."
That's wise of them. They can't say that in many of those countries, they would be punished severely, if not executed.
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