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Old 11-28-2001, 06:30 PM   #1
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I am pro-choice. Where I myself would NEVER have an abortion, I don't feel like I can make everybody's decision for them. I am pretty opposed to it though. I was just wondering what everybody else thought about this issue.

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Old 11-28-2001, 06:41 PM   #2
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Oh no, here we go again! I remember this from months ago when I was here under another name - all kinds of new abortion threads popping up all over the place. Lots of heated debate but surprisingly all arguments were civil.

Anyway - for the record, I am like you. I am pro-choice, mainly because should I find myself needing an abortion, it is my choice and mine alone. Whatever price is to be paid would be brought on by myself, alone. Though I wouldn't get an abortion unless I were raped or my life were in danger, another woman getting an abortion is not my decision to make. I am a little tired to get into it fully right now so I digress for the time being.
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I dont agree with careless teens getting pregnant and then just getting abortions like it's no big deal. But if you are raped I think that would be one of the only legitimate reasons to get an abortion.

Personally, I am no way no how ready for babies nor do I have any desire to have any. But if I somehow got pregnant there's no way would I have an abortion for those reasons alone.

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I am pro-choice. Where I myself would NEVER have an abortion, I don't feel like I can make everybody's decision for them. I am pretty opposed to it though. I was just wondering what everybody else thought about this issue.
i agree. and oh yeah, i agree with sg's comment too about the rape thing and stuff...if you're 17 and "oops! i knew we shoulda used a condom!" then that's your own damn fault. but if you have no control over it, that's another thing...

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Old 11-28-2001, 07:34 PM   #5
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hi,
how about a male perspective? i am pro choice and am not ready to be a father either. so i try to talk about that before i bang any of the nice girls i meet.

i disagree with KhanadaRhodes about the whole oops we should have used a condom thing. that certainly is no reason to bring a child into the world. if you cannot be responsible for your actions, how can you be responsible for a child who would depend completely on you? (i'm just saying you as a term, not pointing any fingers, trying to keep a civil arguement here)

but if you love the person you are with and it happens, it is a decision that I think should be shared with the partners.

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I'm not sure that we get me REALLY started on this, so I'll just say what you all know I would say - I believe wholeheartedly that purposeful abortion is wrong.
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Old 11-28-2001, 09:51 PM   #7
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I know awhile back I had started a thread about abortion and we did get into some serious discussions...but everyone was very civil to each other..
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all I know is that in the United States, the Supreme Court has ruled that it be allowed
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I'm Pro-Life except in cases of rape and when the mother's life is seriously at risk do to complications of carrying a baby.

I happen to date a Pro-Choice (although she wavers) girl who believes that its a women's right to choose. At times we would contemplate the big what if question. She says the ultimate decision was hers regarding whether to keep the baby or not. I said, "Bullshit!" You will never kill my baby!



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Hmmmm.... this is such a touchy subject.

I myself am adamantly pro-life when it comes to abortion. Mainly because I'm a nurse in a newborn ICU and I take care of babies that are born as much as 17 weeks early and survive. They're such little fighters - you'd be amazed. I dont believe in the whole "it's not a baby yet" argument because it is, and I've seen them alive and breathing at this "fetal" stage. Tiny little things that grow up into big people I'm going to stop here before I go off an a MAJOR tangent!


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if you're 17 and "oops! i knew we shoulda used a condom!" then that's your own damn fault.
people make mistakes. having the child will only compound problems for parents, relatives and most of all(in all likelihood) the child.
if the abortion is terminable in one instance it should be in the other. i don't believe it is right to have a different evaluation of 'life' when the whole incident is attributable to some kids messin' around.

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people make mistakes. having the child will only compound problems for parents, relatives and most of all(in all likelihood) the child.
if the abortion is terminable in one instance it should be in the other. i don't believe it is right to have a different evaluation of 'life' when the whole incident is attributable to some kids messin' around.

I don't like this option. True, the lack of responsibility isn't a good sign for parenting, but you'd be surprised how much having a child will straighten a person out. (I know that sounds harsh...but it's the best wording I can think of).

And no one's discussed the option of giving the child up for adoption. Carry it to term, and if by that point the mother (and father) aren't ready to welcome a child into their lives, then they can give the child up for adoption and brighten the lives of couples who have been struggling to have a child for years or maybe aren't capable of bearing children. And I'd bet that the process of carrying the baby to term would definitely be an excellent lesson in responsibility for the blood parents (and who knows, they might feel ready to accept the child into their lives).
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Having had this discussion before, I'm concerned that it will indeed get ugly, so I'll get my 2 eurocents in now and also comment on an argument that will probably come up. I know that at least one of us believes that abortion should not even be an option after a rape, and let me just reply to that that I vehemently disagree. It shouldn't be the automatic solution, but the option should be there. It's not so much the "everyone has the right to live" argument, since that immediately begins the argument about when life starts, and since I'm for the pill and the morning-after-pill, I know I would be on shaky ground. But a child conceived in hatred and violence... I don't believe in forcing a woman to carry that around, not only for 9 months, but for the rest of her life, even if it's given up for adoption.

Having said that, I'm against abortion on principle. I believe that the option should be available to anyone who needs it, but I think it should be strongly discouraged, and I have recently discovered that I do not agree with the policy that allows pregnant teenage girls to have an abortion without her parents being informed (although I don't believe they have to give their consent). The way it is now, at least where I'm from, it's far too easy an option. I think that every case of teenage pregnancy should be evaluated individually, and the girl should talk several times to a psychologist or other qualified professional who would be able to assess her level of maturity etc.

As for grown women, it's on their own head, but I still think abortion should be strongly discouraged for them, and again, I feel that it would be a good idea to make counselling a part of the "package".

As for women wanting an abortion for the second time (due to negligence)... well, there's nothing you can do about it, but if I thought it was feasible, I'd say let them carry the baby to term and give it up for adoption.
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As for grown women, it's on their own head, but I still think abortion should be strongly discouraged for them, and again, I feel that it would be a good idea to make counselling a part of the "package".
I'm curious, how can one discourage mature women to have an abortion? I'm pretty sure a psychologist saying "it's such a bad thing to do" wouldn't do the trick.

Furthermore, I think a lot of people underestimate how difficult it is for women to carry a baby around for 9 months, and then give it up for adoption. During the pregnancy (sp??), the mother develops a band with the child, which would make it very difficult to give the child up.
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