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Old 11-30-2001, 12:12 PM   #31
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Now that you're at it, what do you guys think about euthanasia? I'm personally all for it. What's the use in living when the quality of life is not there?
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Old 11-30-2001, 05:37 PM   #32
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I would never get an abortion.
I guess no one got it.
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Old 12-01-2001, 07:24 AM   #33
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No 80's, I never did say you judged people. I asked you if you would. And you said you wouldn't and believe it to be wrong. Who's to say if that's judgement?

A side note though, I am very sorry to hear about your experience. It's a terribly sad story.

I wish I could tell you how bad it is to feel that an abortion is best option you have, but I cant. Like I said, its never right, but honestly, times are definately tough when abortion is the only action you feel you can do.
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Old 12-02-2001, 10:27 AM   #35
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i have two children and at the minute if i fell pregnant again it would be a nightmare but i could never have a abortion.
i have mixed views on this,i used to be totally against abortion untill i knew someone who had one .once i listened to her reasons i knew it was the best decicison for her.
i have also known people to have unprotected sex fell pregnant and had a abortion like its no big deal that i DONT agree with
The reason i couldnt do it ,in my opinion as soon as you conceive the foetus has feelings it is a living being!!!!!


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Old 12-05-2001, 08:11 PM   #36
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This is a strange occurrence; I actually agree with 80sU2isBest. I have always been of the notion that abortion presents too many ambiguous moral shadings into the fold, that is why I am very willing to point out that it is NOT right.

Having said that, I don't really think it IS wrong. What is worse? Bringing a life into this world so that it will suffer at the hands of unprepared parents that didn't even want it in the first place, or simply not exist at all? It is a difficult and terrible question, deciding on existence, that is why I oppose it. However, exceptions such as rape and other unfortunate occurrences will always occur.

If I were a country's leader, while not making Abortion illegal, I would legislate it as such that everytime a couple (or woman) has an abortion, they would have to pay a considerable fine. Why? Because we simply have too many people (men AND women) who just like to copulate without thinking about protection or sometimes not even using it properly. My criticism of soceity is that many people don't THINK of the consequences of their own actions, having sex being one of them. Whether its AIDS, unwanted children or other externalities, some people are only too happy to dance the horizontal mumbo without bearing other considerations, that is why fining people would make them think.

I think people should be made to think before they act, hitting them where it hurts. ie - the wallet, would be advisable.

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Old 12-05-2001, 09:42 PM   #37
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Haven't been in forum for a while, but I have to jump in on this with my 2 cents.

Abortion is wrong-it has to be. Taking a human life without their consent is always, always incorrect. If you are not prepared to have a child, you should not be having sex, plain and simple. Need I remind anyone that the primary purpose of intercourse is procreation? Should you want to have pleasurable fun with your signifiant other, there are a million different (other) ways. Sorry if you don't have the discipline, that's the chance you take.

If you find yourself in an unplanned pregnancy, check out exactly how long the waiting list is of couples who cannot conceive who are waiting to adopt, and count yourself blessed that you can bear life, and pass the blessing on to someone else in the form of a child. Lets also not forget that children are a blessing, not a burden on your lifestyle.

One point about rape (which is the only touchy thing I see about this): Would you punish the child for the sin of the father? What if a woman is repeatedly abused by her husband and leaves him, only to find that everytime she sees her children she is reminded of him, so she kills them. Would that hold up in the court that allows abortion today?

What's the difference beween a woman aborting her three month old fetus because she doesn't think she can raise a child, and a woman aborting her three month old child, because she can't? (At least she gave it the 'old college try'--but she would be counted a murderess)

What if in some Orwell-esque future, all a woman has to do is sign a document stating that she considered abortion (but passed on it), that gives her the right at anytime to rescind her decision? (no-one would live past the age of 13, that's for sure)

Humans are stronger than we think, we can handle more than we know (just ask any Holocaust survivor). We live in a society we have wrought on ourselves, but that doesn't make our self destruction right, or truth relative.
Okay...I'll shut up now...end of rant...have a nice day...

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Old 12-07-2001, 09:01 AM   #38
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Angell, I thought yours was a good post, but I really don't think it's possible to seriously discuss a situation like abortion after rape if you talk about "punishing" the child for the father's crime. That just doesn't seem like a very serious argument.

Other than that, you made some good points.
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Old 12-07-2001, 09:12 PM   #39
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My point was that the child's life would be taken because the father committed a crime against the mother. A child is murdered, and the mother is not helped in any way by that....if anything she is hindered in the long run by two traumatic events, instead of one.

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I really think that abortions are something that I'd never do. Just think that you were the responsable for this (well you and your partner), what does the baby has to do with all that? That little thing inside of your body was something that you created, and its not his fault that now he's a 'concret' being. So, I wonder; why killing this innocent being? I guess I am just too affective about kids in general... I just love them and I couldn't think of any reason at all for abort them while they were just little pieces of you and your partner growing inside of your uteress


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Originally posted by Angell:
Haven't been in forum for a while, but I have to jump in on this with my 2 cents.

One point about rape (which is the only touchy thing I see about this): Would you punish the child for the sin of the father? What if a woman is repeatedly abused by her husband and leaves him, only to find that everytime she sees her children she is reminded of him, so she kills them. Would that hold up in the court that allows abortion today?


Out of all the people who crunched numbers and did the math, when calculating how to get to the moon; I wonder how many of them actually had the guts to try?!

YOU HAVE KNOW IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

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Old 12-10-2001, 04:01 AM   #42
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Angell, I'm okay with your second explanation. I still don't agree, but I respect your opinion.

Whammy, what are you on about?

+Laura+... I can't believe I'm actually ending up playing Devil's advocate on this one, but are you saying that people who are pro-choice/abortion/whatever is the correct term these days don't love children? Or maybe even that they hate children?
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Old 12-10-2001, 05:09 AM   #43
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Yes, whammy...what is it exactly that I don't know about?

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I am pro choice. I respect the Supreme Court and its ruling. I am also in favor of euthanasia.
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Old 12-10-2001, 04:48 PM   #45
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I think abortions should be legal in cases of rape, incest, danger to the mother's life, severe birth defects, and possibly in cases of *extreme* hardship.

However, I think that the notion of a *right* to have an abortion is terrible.
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