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Old 02-12-2007, 11:15 PM   #91
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So you would legislate rape victims be forced to carry to term?

And a 13 year old girl impregnated by her father to carry to term?
I want someone to be brave enough to answer this.
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Well yes I can say the virus I had last week is living, but it's not life. Go back to my posts, I never argued there wasn't anything living.
Actually, a virus isn't living. It carries out no processes without some help
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Actually, many embryologists think that "personhood" begins at conception, also.
You have a poor handling on science.
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So you would legislate rape victims be forced to carry to term?

And a 13 year old girl impregnated by her father to carry to term?
I dont want to argue; I just want to see it written:
Abortion is wrong, and must be wrong in one and all cases, if it is truly wrong. Aborting as a result of the crime of another is as wrong as aborting from carelessness of actions.


Come on guys, who wants to make FYM history and have the balls to say an abortion from a battered and raped girl is the same as an abortion from a suicidally depressed stupid girl who made a stupid but conscious choice. Come on, guys.
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is an apple tree at germination a "full developed" apple tree? No, but it is an apple tree in the beginning stages, none the less.
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it is not an apple tree

it is a seed in some dirt

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It prevents contraception. I don't see how that's any different than earlier birth control or a condom.
Um, no. Not exactly.
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I want someone to be brave enough to answer this.
I would answer "no" to both of those.

Doesn't mean I personally condone it.

As Trev said earlier in the thread:

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Doesn't the morning after pill act like an abortion in the sense that it removes an attached embryo from the uterus? It's effective even after conception, isn't it unlike a diaphragm or condom or birth control pill.
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Um, no. Not exactly.
Help me out here. It's a form of birth control. Tell me it's not.
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:22 PM   #100
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So you would legislate rape victims be forced to carry to term?

And a 13 year old girl impregnated by her father to carry to term?
Guys, come on. Lets be honest. We all make conscionable moral decisions, dont we? We hate it, but it is something we can get over when the girl is viciously raped and ready to die. Yep, she wants to die. She feels the filth filling her every pore and wants all traces removed. We can allow her to abort. God knows, what moral person could force her to suffer? but that abortion is different to the one of the woman who made a mistake?
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You have a poor handling on science.
I never said I'm an expert on science. I do trust the words of embryologists. You on the other hand state the contrary to what the vast majority of embryologists say. Are you that much an expert, that you know more about the subject than the vast majority of embryologists?
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Actually, many embryologists think that "personhood" begins at conception, also.
many?

you said nothing here


most embryologists throw the majority of these "personhoods" down the drain
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Personhood?

What, are these embryologists dabbling in philosophy on the side?
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Here's my take on abortion: I could never do it myself, I just couldn't (and my reasons are no one's business but my own), but I really don't think the gov't has any business legislating this, b/c just like my reasons are MY business, other people's reasons are THEIR business. I'm appalled at mid- or late-term abortions, but it's not really for me to decide. I personally value the life of the embryo as a baby and consider it a human with rights, but again, that's just me (and Phil). My friend and I had this very discussion this weekend. She made a good point, "Until every single one of these people who want to legislate against all forms of abortion actually adopt an unwanted child, I refuse to listen to them because they are hypocrites." Our protective services system is already over-run with unwanted kids. To those who are so opposed to abortion, what is your tactical solution for caring for EVERY child of a pregnancy that would have been terminated? I personally have never met someone uber-pro-life that's ever adopted, fostered, or even so much as volunteered working with kids. Jesus never said anything about abortion one way or the other, but he did say "let the children come to me" and taught love and compassion for those weaker than ourselves. Until I see the ultra-conservatives actually practicing what they preach, it's enough to make me side against them just because I'd rather not be lumped with a bunch of hypocrites trying to legislate issues that shouldn't go any farther than one's own household.

ETA: I'm not a feminist and my above stated opinion is NOT of the "well I'm a raging female and I can damn do whatever the hell I want with my body" school of thought. I just believe that this is a personal choice with too much gray area (rape, incest, health risks) for it to be worth the government even attempting to legislate.

For me, the only real gray area is that there have been cases where someone murders a pregnant woman, the baby also dies, and the perp is charged with two counts of murder or manslaughter. Can the courts really say one termination is OK while another is not simply based on who does the terminating? I'm waiting to see how this precedent plays out....
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No one? Do I really need to keep quoting this? Come on! If abortion is wrong, then it is wrong. Why does it take the horrendous crime of another to overrule it?
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