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Old 02-12-2007, 11:09 PM   #76
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So it's only wrong when it's a conscience effort?
All I'm saying is I don't blame anyone for using birth control, and I have nothing personally against it. "Birth control" is for just that; to make sure you won't have to abort or go full term for a baby you didn't even want.
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That's not my mantra.
So you would legislate rape victims be forced to carry to term?

And a 13 year old girl impregnated by her father to carry to term?
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80's the problem with those links(thanks btw) is "life" is being defined very differently from yours. Also some of those quotes are just individuals using the stages of development in their own words.

I can say the life of a car begins the second the chasis is placed on the assembly line. But it sure doesn't make it a car.
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Here's one, from http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-embryology.htm

(good luck calling that a "prolife" site...)

"Part of the problem lies within each embryology textbook. They all state that life begins at the moment of conception. While it is true that some form of life begins at conception, the degree, value and quality of such a life is not addressed."

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from http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/ar...yoquotes2.html

Yes, I know you'll balk at the word "prolife" in the URL path, but look past that at the quotes contained therein. And there's many many more form other web sites.

"Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]


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So 80s

life begins at conception


and the life of an apple tree begins when a seed is placed in soil, watered and the seed begins to germinate.

at the beginning stage of germination it is not an apple tree

it has the potential to grow into an apple tree

and yes apple tree life begins at germination
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When does the life of an apple tree begin?
they say the apple never falls far from the tree...
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Is stabbing a pregnant woman in the belly & killing her unborn child murder? People have been tried & convicted of murder in that case.

So wanted fetuses are LIFE, but unwanted ones are not?
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All I'm saying is I don't blame anyone for using birth control, and I have nothing personally against it. "Birth control" is for just that; to make sure you won't have to abort or go full term for a baby you didn't even want.
But didn't you say life begins at conception? Do you know what the morning after pill does?
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So embreyologists and scientists think life begins at conception, well nah fucking dah. But "life" doesn't mean "person" it means living - like so many other things that are "living" but not conscious.
Actually, many embryologists think that "personhood" begins at conception, also.
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Is stabbing a pregnant woman in the belly & killing her unborn child murder? People have been tried & convicted of murder in that case.

So wanted fetuses are LIFE, but unwanted ones are not?
Good point.
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Is stabbing a pregnant woman in the belly & killing her unborn child murder? People have been tried & convicted of murder in that case.

So wanted fetuses are LIFE, but unwanted ones are not?
Have they in the US?

In Canada, this would not be murder. You would be prosecuted for assaulting the mother, but because under our Charter, constitutionally a fetus is not a person and therefore has no rights under the law, there would be no case as against the fetus.
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A tray of 30 embryos and a little girl are in a burning building, you can only save one or the other, whom do you save? The 30 embryos or the little girl?

Ok 80's, pick one based on your views of life.
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Depending on your point of view, yes it does. I don't view it that way however. For me, every embryo is living - you can't argue that it's not living. You can argue that it's not "human life" because it doesn't fit our definitions, but it certainly is living.

Knowing everything that can go wrong in development, it makes you truly appreciate what a miracle life really is.
Well yes I can say the virus I had last week is living, but it's not life. Go back to my posts, I never argued there wasn't anything living.
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So 80s

life begins at conception


and the life of an apple tree begins when a seed is placed in soil, watered and the seed begins to germinate.

at the beginning stage of germination it is not an apple tree

it has the potential to grow into an apple tree

and yes apple tree life begins at germination
is an apple tree at germination a "full developed" apple tree? No, but it is an apple tree in the beginning stages, none the less.
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But didn't you say life begins at conception? Do you know what the morning after pill does?
It prevents contraception. I don't see how that's any different than earlier birth control or a condom.
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Actually, many embryologists think that "personhood" begins at conception, also.
many?

you said nothig here


most embryologists throw your "personhoods" down the drain
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