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Old 11-18-2007, 12:39 AM   #31
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It's not that it kills children, it's that it makes them stupid and a pain in the ass to deal with.

oh my god, they must feed lead to kids in school, that explains so much
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Old 11-18-2007, 01:05 AM   #32
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oh my god, they must feed lead to kids in school, that explains so much


I was going to add "and they're already bad enough as it is!" but I decided against it at the last moment.
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:38 AM   #33
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Yeah, it's killed millions....if you believe the hype.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...47/ai_16929578

We have alternatives that don't harm and use them... what's wrong with it?
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Old 11-18-2007, 12:23 PM   #34
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I dunno - I can't imagine those giant rubber things they put out feel much better when a kid falls on his head on one of those..?

I mean, scraped parts are easy to get over. Yes, they hurt, and should be attended to, but ye. Gods. Do we really have to protect kids from /that/?

There's a happy medium out there, I think - some stuff they just have to learn to get over, with serious swiftness.
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It's not like this rubber protects you from scratches and hard landings. But it protects you from getting hurt seriously, like breaking your bones or worse. Rubber absorbs some of the energy, so it's a good replacement of stone (but not of sand).
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It's not like this rubber protects you from scratches and hard landings. But it protects you from getting hurt seriously, like breaking your bones or worse. Rubber absorbs some of the energy, so it's a good replacement of stone (but not of sand).
Exactly. It's kind of like wearing a cup. I played goal (hockey) up through college, and took the odd shot off the cup. If hurt like an SOB, for a long time...but thanks to the cup everything is still in place & working.

Sliding on that rubber would give you a pretty nasty raspberry, but you won't leave half the skin on your legs on the pavement.
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Yeah, it's killed millions....if you believe the hype.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...47/ai_16929578
Sometimes I wonder if you go out of your way to not believe in science...
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While tracking an article refering to misuse of sources in a decade old health scare is hardly a reasonable argument (is it pro-lead paint?) there are examples where public health issues are abused by stories based on studies with tenuous results or poor methodology (the MMR vaccine -> Autism scare for instance). Of course given the original posters ostrich like attitude towards smoking in cars and simultaneous blame shifting of obesity onto corn syrup (selective bias to blame or exclude unevenly) I can see what you mean.
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Sometimes I wonder if you go out of your way to not believe in science...

I dont, but I also dont believe everything Big Brother is piping out to us as science.


Is it bad to question stuff?

Is another point of view not welcome?
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Is it bad to question stuff?
If it's questionable, not. Otherwise...
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I dont, but I also dont believe everything Big Brother is piping out to us as science.


Is it bad to question stuff?

Is another point of view not welcome?
If the other point of view has the evidence fitted around it it isn't nearly as productive, for instance that lead paint article criticised a report based on an outdated epidemiology study, lead poisoning is still a danger from lead paint; if your extrapolating it to say that lead paint is safe then your entirely wrong. The other fallacy that pops up is anecdotal evidence, which is worthless, just because a great uncle smoked a pack a day and lived to be 102 doesn't mean that smoking is safe - when this line of anecdotal thinking is employed to justify harm against unconsenting parties (such as children in a smoke filled car) it is quite dodgy indeed.

Explanations are not equally valid in the scientific method, for a view to be entertained seriously it should explain the facts better than the other ones. The expectation that science must accommodate bad thinkng because it's out there is wrong, it ceases being an explanation for real world occurances.
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Is it bad to question stuff?

Is another point of view not welcome?


is it bad to question science with nostalgia or religion, probably because it feels good?
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Is it bad to question stuff?

Is another point of view not welcome?
It is welcome when such points of view are backed up with evidence. Otherwise, as the scientific method would state, no, they are not welcome.

Science basically tells us to "put up or shut up."
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It is welcome when such points of view are backed up with evidence. Otherwise, as the scientific method would state, no, they are not welcome.

Science basically tells us to "put up or shut up."



OK,

I will wait on the science on recent deaths from lead based paint.
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Would that be the lead based paint that has been phased out of use in the developed world? If people aren't getting Polio (in most places) does that mean that it is up for reevaluation?
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