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Old 11-14-2007, 03:18 PM   #16
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i think some people rightly think that parents are overprotective of children. there was that thread about how all men are being treated like predators, and that seemed like a valid point. there's lots of media hysteria, some of it justified, some of it not, regarding the safety of children, and nothing, but nothing, is going to attract women viewers between the ages of 18-45 more than if you tell them their children are under attack, but there are the following things you can do to protect them.

i do think that kids, on the whole, are more coddled than they used to be. i do think that kids should be outside more than inside playing Wii. i do think that being allowed to roam sparks an active imagination. i do think that there are too many rules at school and, say, at the public pool (where i lifeguarded for years, and i did think it was insanely over regulated).

so i understand the impulse, but i don't think that safer playground equipment comes into play here. if you were the unlucky kid who stepped on a rusty nail and had to get shots, or fell off the slide and broke your leg and missed the 2nd half 3rd grade, or got his hand crushed by the metal merry-go-round, i don't think you'd feel so nostalgic.

i view these things like seatbelts and airbags. there's nothing wrong with being safe. there's nothing wrong with not breaking your arm. and i don't see how it impedes fun, but then again, what's fun about stepping on a rusty nail?

seems like that swing mentioned in the first post is loads of fun, until the rotting wood snaps and the child goes flying and breaks his tailbone on a rock and has to miss playing soccer for the rest of the fall.
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I think the safer playground, and the larger issue of whole generations of Americans having no clue how to deal with adversity, loss, negative feedback, etc, are mutually exclusive. I grew up in an urban area, and took tons of spills as a kid, but, I don't think needing stitches and getting concussions helped make me whoever it is that I am today. Well, the memory loss can be attributed to my childhood, but, beyond that, nothing. Keeping kids safe while doing things that leigitmately can cause injury should be encouraged and applauded, in my opinion.
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What exactly are the social benefits to keeping old-style playgrounds around? And do those benefits outweigh all the safety issue?
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seems like that swing mentioned in the first post is loads of fun, until the rotting wood snaps and the child goes flying and breaks his tailbone on a rock and has to miss playing soccer for the rest of the fall.
And the school district has to pay out millions in a settlement with the kid's parents.
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What exactly are the social benefits to keeping old-style playgrounds around?
Getting to feel all nostalgic?



My issue with the initial post is that it just seems so intellectually lazy. Like a lot of things, it has that "gut" ring of. . .truthiness about it, but when you really examine the case being made closely--as has been done on this thread--you realize what a lot of bollocks it really is.
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And the school district has to pay out millions in a settlement with the kid's parents.
Kind of funny that back in the day you never really heard about any of these lawsuits, huh?

There's some nostalgia I'd love to bring back.
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:51 PM   #22
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I live in Southern Nevada where temps easily reach 120F in the summer. If we had steel slides here half the kids would be in the hospital due to third degree burns on their butts.
I grew up in Australia, where it gets to 40 degrees Celcius easy in the summer and we DID burn our arses on the metal slides in the summer. We also had monkey bars with nothing but asphalt underneath and I'm sure I remember one kid falling off onto their heads. And then what about the backyard swing? My Dad made me one from rope and a plank. I never got a splinter, while my hyper cousin jumped off and broke his arm. Fool!
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I do remember fondly the metal slides (on the rare occasions I was in an area with them and was able to make myself climb that high). Those suckers were slick and fast, but they were also really hot in the summer sun. I don't remember anyone getting hurt much (some scrapes and bruises), but there weren't ever many kids around either.

Everything changes and moves on -- if it didn't we'd be wearing bearskin pelts and beating our food to death with clubs.
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Everything changes and moves on -- if it didn't we'd be wearing bearskin pelts and beating our food to death with clubs.
ah, bearskin pelts. . .now THOSE were the days!
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I remember ripping my leg up onn a rusty nail on a metal slide and enduring 5 needles to deal with the rust...blergh.

but... i think we are too overprotective and kids are just getting worse. but then i have a whooooooole teacher perspective on that!
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My issue with the initial post is that it just seems so intellectually lazy. Like a lot of things, it has that "gut" ring of. . .truthiness about it, but when you really examine the case being made closely--as has been done on this thread--you realize what a lot of bollocks it really is.
Congratulations. We have a winner.
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Do we wish we still had lead based paint as well?

mmmmmm.....lead based paint
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mmmmmm.....lead based paint


Yeah, it's killed millions....if you believe the hype.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...47/ai_16929578
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You wanna see a regulated "play ground"? Step into any competitive gymnastics gym in North America. Sometimes I think I spent more time learning which combinations of mats can be stacked and how they can/cannot touch other mats...Seemed dumb at the time, until a kid did a dismount onto mats that were not placed correctly and broke a leg because of it.

Anyway, I don't see the big deal here. Safer play ground equipment. Safety or reduced liability....sounds like a win-win to me.
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Yeah, it's killed millions....if you believe the hype.
It's not that it kills children, it's that it makes them stupid and a pain in the ass to deal with.
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