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Old 03-08-2005, 07:09 AM   #211
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Oh wait, that means big brother would interfere with me having too much success.
That's the biggest load of crap.

Ok you thought my caveman pic was a cheapshot at you, fine than believe that as you may. And if that's what you believe then I apologize.

But don't ever bring cheapshots in from other threads again. If you'd like to discuss with me something of meaning do it in the thread which it belongs, you just cheapen your arguments and display a huge lack of knowledge of who I am when doing so. This is not the first time you've done this and I will take action if it happens again.

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It sure does, and not everyone on it agrees with you that 'conformity is mindless.'
You have grossly misinterpreted that comment, will you please just get off it. Once again keep it in the thread to which it belongs, hence why I started it.
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Old 03-08-2005, 10:09 AM   #212
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That's the biggest load of crap.

Ok you thought my caveman pic was a cheapshot at you, fine than believe that as you may. And if that's what you believe then I apologize.

But don't ever bring cheapshots in from other threads again. If you'd like to discuss with me something of meaning do it in the thread which it belongs, you just cheapen your arguments and display a huge lack of knowledge of who I am when doing so. This is not the first time you've done this and I will take action if it happens again.
Sarcasm. Look it up.

Sure, your caveman thing was a bit of a cheapshot, but I'm not crying my ass off over it.

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You have grossly misinterpreted that comment, will you please just get off it. Once again keep it in the thread to which it belongs, hence why I started it.
So much commotion over a reply you knew you were asking for.
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Old 03-08-2005, 10:12 AM   #213
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Kill the buzzwords once and for all, and tell it as it is. That's my point, loud and clear.
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Kill the buzzwords once and for all, and tell it as it is. That's my point, loud and clear.
So it's like communism? Please explain.

I don't think it's that loud or clear.
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So it's like communism? Please explain.

I don't think it's that loud or clear.
"No wonder communism is a dirty word today. We have to restore its true meaning - world revolution, workers' democracy, equality and real freedom." - http://www.worldrevolution.org.uk/ol...communism.html

My point is that the words "equality", "revolution", and "women's rights" can in fact be taken to extremes. In my view, they are taken to extremes. They are used to defend pretty much anything. I'd rather hear the case for what it is without all the nonsense.
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"No wonder communism is a dirty word today. We have to restore its true meaning - world revolution, workers' democracy, equality and real freedom." - http://www.worldrevolution.org.uk/ol...communism.html
Yeah that's the biggest stretch I've seen in this thread. I'd even venture to say, not even anything having to do with this.

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My point is that the words "equality", "revolution", and "women's rights" can in fact be taken to extremes. In my view, they are taken to extremes. They are used to defend pretty much anything. I'd rather hear the case for what it is without all the nonsense.
Well I'd like to hear a good reason as to why not pass this law but haven't heard one.

Keeping the burden on sexual offenders. Good thing.

Treating men and women the same. Good thing.

Removing the 'obscene' stigma.
Good thing.

Will it desexualize the female body? No.

Will women walk around everywhere topless? No.

Is there a reason to keep it obscene?
No.
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I can't believe this thread is still going. 15 pages and no one's been able to defend why the law should remain the way it is.
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I can't believe this thread is still going. 15 pages and no one's been able to defend why the law should remain the way it is.
The law reflects our culture. Simple as that.


So far, all the arguments against the law are predicated on a change in culture that must occur. You've got to come up with a better argument than "well, society needs to change".
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The law reflects our culture. Simple as that.


So far, all the arguments against the law are predicated on a change in culture that must occur. You've got to come up with a better argument than "well, society needs to change".
I guess protecting women isn't enough?

Laws do not always reflect culture. Laws are evolving and changing all the time.
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I guess protecting women isn't enough?

Laws do not always reflect culture. Laws are evolving and changing all the time.
"Protecting women"... as if it's a life and death situation. This law does no harm to you, unless of course you have trouble keeping your clothes on.
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I guess protecting women isn't enough?


What is the harm (using Moonlit_Angel's definition) to women by this law?
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"Protecting women"... as if it's a life and death situation. This law does no harm to you, unless of course you have trouble keeping your clothes on.
Well when someone you know is assaulted and the perp gets off due to "the way she was dressed", then you may change your mind.

And yes it happens. This would eliminate that. It may not be life or death but sexual assault is a serious matter. Step out of your small box for a second and get over your fear that everyone's going to walk around topless.
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"Yeah that's the biggest stretch I've seen in this thread. I'd even venture to say, not even anything having to do with this."

And the reason being, to show how buzzwords are used and abused. How is your argument based on women's rights? It's not legal, and surely I'm not the only one who doesn't think it's right for our society. Some would refer to me as "anti-choice" for example because I don't "support women's rights." And that equality talk is an abuse of the term, plain and simple. I think it's degrading to anyone who disagrees with you, but has fought for true equality. I've used equal pay as an example enough to wear out a tape player.

"Well I'd like to hear a good reason as to why not pass this law but haven't heard one."

There's also no good reason to why we should pass one. Liberals don't like laws that are based on gender differences and restrictions, so I'm not suprised you would think that.

"Keeping the burden on sexual offenders. Good thing."
Punish sex offenders harshly, plain and simple. Castrate them if necessary.

"Treating men and women the same. Good thing."
Men and women are not the same. Again, I can care less if I'm not allowed to wear lipstick or earrings to work. I can care less about wearing a dress in public and being pointed at. I can care less if I have to put all the food on the table. I can care less if I have to mow the lawn every few days.

"Removing the 'obscene' stigma.
Good thing."
Your private life if your business, your public life is not always only your business.

"Will it desexualize the female body? No."
With a near 50% divorce rate, I don't think this is going to help it.

"Will women walk around everywhere topless? No."
There are exceptions. Anyone who's seen Jerry Springer realizes that.

"Is there a reason to keep it obscene?
No."
Does everyone want to see bare breasts, by anyone of any age? No.
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Well when someone you know is assaulted and the perp gets off due to "the way she was dressed", then you may change your mind.
Great example, it has nothing to do with the discussion.

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And yes it happens. This would eliminate that.
How so?

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It may not be life or death but sexual assault is a serious matter. Step out of your small box for a second and get over your fear that everyone's going to walk around topless.
"Small box..." cut the crap. No fear involved, I see reason for the law because it's suitable for a breast-obsessed society.
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