Henry Rollins
The Fly
How would you have stopped Hitler?
~rougerum
~rougerum
Originally posted by LuvLady:
Jesse Jackson makes me gag.
[This message has been edited by LuvLady (edited 09-28-2001).]
Originally posted by melon:
Sometimes, that involves reevaluating the U.S.'s role in the Islamic sphere of influence, which is often questionable at times. Bin Laden just didn't arbitrarily, one day, pick the U.S. as his target.
Originally posted by Henry Rollins:
How would you have stopped Hitler?
~rougerum
Originally posted by AM:
change the envirement so that people like Hitler or Saddam or Bin Laden don?t the right envirement to spread their ideas. This is an enviremental and social problem, not just a political one.
That?s what we should be focusing on right now. Make the world a place where everybody is able to live a good life. If you seed evil, you will get evil.
[This message has been edited by AM (edited 10-10-2001).]
Originally posted by melon:
I'm stepping aside from this, but just as a point of note, after the Allies won World War II, Winston Churchill wanted to just shoot the captured Nazi leaders on the spot. However, for once, it was the U.S. who was the voice of reason here, as Harry Truman insisted on the unprecedented idea of putting them on trial for all the world to see, as a testament to our advancement in civilization. Just blowing in and shooting them all dead, Truman reasoned, would only fuel the enemies they tried to destroy.
And perhaps that has been my stance all along. Some people in this forum have advocated a Churchill-esque approach to this conflict: a "the U.S. can't blow enough up" approach. That's what I balk at. And when I criticize along the lines of Truman here, I'm labelled "unpatriotic" or "bleeding-heart liberal."
All I've ever asked the "warmongers" to do is to step back and reevaluate for the greater good. Sometimes, that involves reevaluating the U.S.'s role in the Islamic sphere of influence, which is often questionable at times. Bin Laden just didn't arbitrarily, one day, pick the U.S. as his target. Even if I criticize that, I'm labelled as "unpatriotic," and several professionals around the country have been fired for doing the same thing in the last two weeks. So much for that "freedom" we were defending...
But I digress. I refuse to take a stance on this war anymore. The course of action has been preordained by people far more important than myself, and what I think amounts to a pile of shit.
Melon