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Old 05-07-2005, 12:22 PM   #46
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Clinton pushed for a "Defense of Marriage Act" in 1996. Is he a bigot as well?
I don't remember who pushed for it. I think it was the GOP who backed him in a corner. The Democrats did not write that bill, and if the GOP never existed, neither would this law.

Anyway, after reading what Clinton has said in the years following his presidency about this and "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," it sounds like more of a case of Democratic cowardice in the face of the bigoted GOP than him actually supporting these laws. Kerry just happens to be the face of cowardice in the Democratic Party.

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Clinton pushed for a "Defense of Marriage Act" in 1996. Is he a bigot as well?
No Clinton didn't push for it, but he did sign it. Which ironically Kerry was one of only 14 who opposed it.

Clinton did a lot for gay rights during his 2 terms, but yes some of his actions are somewhat confusing.
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The standard definition:

a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

The Fox News definition:

a. all those fags you see in pink leather tutus parading down the street in San Francisco
b. all those anti-God atheists you see trying to take God out of Christmas.
c. those responsible for 9/11, the price of gas, teenage pregnancy, abortion, Nambla, insecure borders, Terry Shiavo, Michael Jackson, Ludacris, the Tsunami, Spongebob Squarepants, and reality television.
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a person who claims to be 'open minded' and declares anything goes, and everyone should have a right to do anything they want-- UNLESS it disagrees with what they believe, then such person or position gets bashed and called names. So much for all inclusiveness!
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The bigoted pervert strikes again.



As much as I hate Bush and wish that he wasn't reelected, now I know why Kerry deserved to lose. The man has no backbone, and every approach to every issue he has ever taken looks politically calculated.
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I agree, very disappointing. I wish Howard Dean had been the nominee.
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a person who claims to be 'open minded' and declares anything goes, and everyone should have a right to do anything they want-- UNLESS it disagrees with what they believe, then such person or position gets bashed and called names. So much for all inclusiveness!
Sounds like the definition of a "conservative" minus the "open-minded" part.

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Nobody is truly open-minded if you think about it.
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Nobody is truly open-minded if you think about it.
I'd like you to explain that one.
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I'd like you to explain that one.
No problem.

Under our discretion, we decide who to tune off and on. You may not care much for what the president has to say, as a result that you dislike a number of his policies. For one to be truly open-minded, I would define it as equally and genuinely interested in what all individuals say and do, regardless of who they are and what they stand for.
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In addition, let's use the Unitarian church as an example. Their objective is to proceed in an inclusive environment, coming from all kinds of backgrounds. But God forbid one might open up as a conservative, or at least, a fairly biblically literal Christian, who believes that without Jesus, religion is useless.
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We all have our turn-ons and turn-offs, which get in the way of our openness.

Is this making any sense yet?
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No problem.

Under our discretion, we decide who to tune off and on. You may not care much for what the president has to say, as a result that you dislike a number of his policies. For one to be truly open-minded, I would define it as equally and genuinely interested in what all individuals say and do, regardless of who they are and what they stand for.
But as much as I dislike Bush's policies I give him a listen and then I make my decision. You can truly be open-minded and still consistantly not like someone's policies or ideas.
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We all have our turn-ons and turn-offs, which get in the way of our openness.

Is this making any sense yet?
No. Yes we all have turn-ons and turn-offs, but they don't have to always get in the way.
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I think the closest thing to being completely open-minded is the "I know nothing" approach that made Socrates quite famous.
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To be brief, I don't see neither conservatives or liberals as being open-minded. It's a useless pun if you ask me. All it really interprets to is "listen to MY argument because I could very well be right."
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