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Old 09-19-2005, 03:47 AM   #1
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Is something a lie if people assume it out of ignorance?
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"to the best of my knowledge" no
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Were you aware of the ignorance and therefore deliberately play up to it, with every intention of misleading, despite telling the truth?
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Known unknowns vs. unknown unknowns.
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It's not a lie, though it could be termed "truth challenged."
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People are capable of believing lies. So, I would say that just because people believe something doesn't make it true. During the Black Death some people blamed the plague on the Jews. They believed that in some ways the Jews were responsible for the Black Death. Today we know that it was a germ. They didn't know germs existed in those days. So no, just because people believe something doesn't make it true.
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Re: A Question

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Is something a lie if people assume it out of ignorance?
If someone is charged with being truthful and intentionally allows an erroneous assumption about a subject to which he is charged with being truthful, then yes it is the moral equivalent of a lie.

If someone believes what he is saying is the truth, then there is no intent to deceive and no lie.
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Re: A Question

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Is something a lie if people assume it out of ignorance?


... am sensing a WMD parallel here ...
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... am sensing a WMD parallel here ...
Actually a public figure ~ in regards to an Iraq - 9/11 link and the 40 odd percent of US citizens that believed it. Now take your average person and you know that 50% of people are dumber; I don't think that using the fact people believed/assumed a link should make the administration at fault.
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How did I know where this was going.
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In my first post I was going to ask if this had something to do with Iraq, and then thought in the one in a million chance it wasn't, I shouldn't turn it that way...
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How did I know where this was going.
Because every damn post is the same ~ and now we all know the exact way that the thread will go.

People will accuse Bush of lying, fully ignoring the Clinton administration, Rolf Ekeus and the international community. There will be defending posts citing UN resolutions and post bellum definitions of soveriegnty and the whole damn thing will wind up in the gutter.
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Because every damn post is the same ~ and now we all know the exact way that the thread will go.
I think the posters are more predictable than the threads.
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People will accuse Bush of lying, fully ignoring the Clinton administration, Rolf Ekeus and the international community. There will be defending posts citing UN resolutions and post bellum definitions of soveriegnty and the whole damn thing will wind up in the gutter.
Well Bush is the CURRENT administration. We usually concentrate on those that affect us now.
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