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Old 04-23-2005, 12:54 PM   #16
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"Religion is what happens when the spirit has left the building"
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Re: Re: Re: A provocative question as usual...

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That's exactly what led me to start this thread. There have been numerous threads about what your faith in a diety does for you. I figured why not have some interesting discussion by reversing the question.

Plenty of fulfillment.. hrm... Some dozen replies, and I still have no idea how it can be fulfilling at all.
It's a good thread, though. Don't get me wrong. I like asking a "provocative question" once in a while.

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Old 04-23-2005, 12:58 PM   #18
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"Religion is what happens when the spirit has left the building"
--> Bono
Bono is referring to the rules and regulations that are associated with the belief in God that often tangle up the message.

Here's what else Bono has to say:

"Explaining belief has always been difficult. How do you explain a love and logic at the heart of the universe when the world is so out of whack? How about the poetic verses the actual truth found in scriptures? Has free will got us crucified? And what about the dodgy characters who inhabit the tome, known as the bible, who claim to hear the voice of God? You have to be interested, but is God?

Explaining faith is impossible....Vision over visibility...Instinct over intellect...A songwriter plays a chord with the faith that he will hear the next one in his head."
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Plenty of fulfillment.. hrm... Some dozen replies, and I still have no idea how it can be fulfilling at all.
Some might find it comforting, and maybe even fulfilling to be able to tune out all the many varied religious solicitors, even the subtle ones in the work place and all the other random encounters.

They can say, “No thanks, I don’t care about heaven, I have no greater plan.

I just want to do what is right, right now. For the betterment of society and humanity, to leave a better world when I am gone."
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Some might find it comforting, and maybe even fulfilling to be able to tune out all the many varied religious solicitors, even the subtle ones in the work place and all the other random encounters.

They can say, “No thanks, I don’t care about heaven, I have no greater plan.
Such as the rules and regulations aspect of a practiced faith. I can very much see that in a way, where we have the free will to make our decisions how we want to make them. I still don't see how the absense of God is a comforting thought.

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"I just want to do what is right, right now. For the betterment of society and humanity, to leave a better world when I am gone."
That would be a good thing, but it's nothing out of the ordinary that a spiritual person is capable of accomplishing either.
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I still don't see how the absense of God is a comforting thought.


You don't see all the arguments and wars about whose God is supreme

and which Religion is the True Religion and only road to salvation?



well, not having to participate in that could be comforting
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You don't see all the arguments and wars about whose God is supreme

and which Religion is the True Religion and only road to salvation?



well, not having to participate in that could be comforting
I suppose so. But, is that the only benefit of being an atheist?
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extremely low odds of being recruited to be a suicide bomber?
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You don't see all the arguments and wars about whose God is supreme

and which Religion is the True Religion and only road to salvation?



well, not having to participate in that could be comforting
But that can also be said about agnostics, and even the more liberal branches of most religions. No one has to participate in that, and most people don't. Being an atheist goes much farther than that.

I guess I can see how it would give people a sense of comfort knowing they don't have some cruel god's rules to live up to, no one to be held accountable to. Also, maybe some people like the idea of order, of our individual insignificance, ants in the scheme of things. Personally, that scares the shit out of me, but maybe some people take comfort in that sense of nature, order, etc...

I don't know if that makes any sense.
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extremely low odds of being recruited to be a suicide bomber?


In the Middle East, they don't exactly have separation of church and state, and therefore they FORCE a belief on you that you might, in your heart, reject. So where does religion/faith come in to play on recruiting suicide bombers? Where does the aftermath of the PERSONAL - not dictated - decision to follow a faith get enforced?

If you know something I don't, I'd be glad if you could share it.
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Maybe not having to account - Ever - to anyone here or where ever - for anything, makes some feel a great deal better about everything they do or don't do.
Some sense of total and complete freedom - in a way??
But I can't speak from an atheist point of view at all.
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Explaining faith is impossible....Vision over visibility...Instinct over intellect...A songwriter plays a chord with the faith that he will hear the next one in his head."
Its an interesting thread, and I think I should go away and think about it. Just to point out, however, faith and religion are not necessarily the same thing. You can have faith without religion quite easily, for many people.

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Maybe not having to account - Ever - to anyone here or where ever - for anything, makes some feel a great deal better about everything they do or don't do.
Some sense of total and complete freedom - in a way??
But I can't speak from an atheist point of view at all.
That's not a bad explanation. It would make me wonder though, would it matter if I did something "wrong" like stealing if (a) I didn't like the person (b) I could easily get away with it? If you have no way of getting into trouble, what would stop you from such a thing? Would you have an attack of conscience, and if not, then what?

Just throwing that out there.
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I don't know what it would be like to be atheist....
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I was listening to the radio some time ago, and the host hypothesized that if there were a way that science could prove without a shadow of a doubt that God didn't exist, the very day they announced their findings would be the day masses of people started looting stores and breaking laws, because they'd have no reason not to. If it were true that there were absolutely no God, no higher being to be held accountable to, no ramifications upon death...why not be selfish?

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