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Old 04-02-2002, 08:46 PM   #1
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a frustrated christian and liberal....

Is anyone else frustrated by the way conservative and christian seem to go hand in hand in America? I am a fairly liberal Oklahoman who believes in Christ, and to be honest..i feel like an oddball. It seems like most liberal thinkers in the media do not profess christianity, and I am having difficulty making sense of how my political beliefs and spiritual beliefs can go together. I am a member of a few liberal organizations on campus, but I sometimes get tired of hearing my faith criticized in these circles. I love my church and my youth group friends, but I often stay out of political discussions to avoid conflict. I suppose this is part of the reason why I love this message board..this is really the only place I've seen where the two are allowed to come together. Does anyone else feel this way?

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Old 04-02-2002, 09:47 PM   #2
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::nods enthusiastically::

There is an unfortunate stereotype in this country that in order to be a "true" Christian, one must espouse a certain set of political and social beliefs. I don't buy that at all, and certainly as a liberal I find that to be a problem. I don't really think that my beliefs are incompatible with Christianity, but some people would say that they are. But I say that if you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian, and there shouldn't be any other litmus test.

Do yourself a favor and pick up a book called Stealing Jesus by Bruce Bawer. A great read about how fundamentalism has become the public face of American Christianity.

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Old 04-03-2002, 02:51 AM   #3
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If it makes you feel any better, I'm a conservative Republican and don't believe in God. You think you're and oddball...

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Old 04-03-2002, 03:05 AM   #4
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I'm a conservative, registered republican, and a Christian who is almost always at odds with people who are "conservative"(a code word for people who want their money left alone but want to interfere with the rest of your life), registered republicans(I still hold true that things can be changed from the inside) and Christians(individually, I've rarely had a problem with other Christians, but you get them together sometimes and it can be a disaster).

It's difficult cause I feel like everyone disagrees with me. Especially when the above labels are applied to me, then people seem to view the label rather then the person, which I think may be the problems of all of us posting in this thread.

It does always ensure an interesting discussion with people though, now that I think about it. I think the funniest position Iíve found myself in was when I was arguing with someone who called himself a conservative, a republican and a Christian. It was when dildos were outlawed in Alabama(I believe it was there, or at least a city there in). Here I am defending peopleís rights to use dildos or do whatever they want if it doesnít hurt anyone else, up to even drug use. I canít imagine what that personís impression of me was, but it ammuses me to no end when I think back on that discussion



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Old 04-03-2002, 02:14 PM   #5
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Yes yes...I'm in there with you!!!

I believe the fundamentalists have a right to do and think the way they do...just don't put me in there with them!!!!

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I think the funniest position Iíve found myself in was when I was arguing with someone who called himself a conservative, a republican and a Christian. It was when dildos were outlawed in Alabama(I believe it was there, or at least a city there in).
Dildos outlawed?! I trust it is being broken with wild abandonment as it should be. I will add that to my list of stupid laws I can't wait to break.
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Yay...add me to that list. All I have to say is to hang in there, because, although we are not very vocal in our black-and-white world of liberal agnostics/atheists and conservative fundamentalist Christians, I think there are lots out there crossing the center just like us.

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If it makes you feel any better, I'm a conservative Republican and don't believe in God. You think you're and oddball...

now that is funny! ....and weird.
can ya explain yerself a litte? it just doesn't compute in my brain/doesn't make sense .???
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It was when dildos were outlawed in Alabama(I believe it was there, or at least a city there in). Here I am defending peopleís rights to use dildos or do whatever they want if it doesnít hurt anyone else, up to even drug use.
But to our defense, we legalized inter-racial marriage a few years ago.

Although in my county, I cannot buy beer on Sundays. The county line is two miles away, and a convenience store is strategically placed thereon.

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Old 04-04-2002, 11:17 PM   #10
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I am a Christian too, and what is on tv as the face of Christianity is not at all, many times, like what the Bible actually says, or what Jesus preached, and the other New Testament books. What was appalling, besides Billy Graham's remarks on those Nixon tapes, was his son saying after 9/11 that Jesus said war is ok and it's ok to go kill your enemy. Don't know what Bible it is he reads. That people actually listen to people like him and think that is the Word of God is scary. Same with Pat Robertson. I turned on his show on 9/11 looking for some Christian love, and what did I see and hear, that now infamous show where that Moral Majority bird brain blamed it on Lesbians, gays, and the moral decline of America. There are a lot of Hollywood people who are Christians, but keep it kind of quiet. Sharon Stone for one. If you saw her in her coat later at the Oscar parties, you saw the cross she had on it. Then Jane Fonda having become born again made Ted mad.

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What's with all the labels?

Do you have trouble defining yourselves without them?

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the beer on sundays thing really aggrevates me. Here the only restriction is after 2am no alcohol selling, which I also don't understand.
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how else do you define yourself without labels?

Lebels don't ever fit me, and I'm sure others are the same, but how else can you express the swirling vortex that is on the inside of a human?
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There are still a few counties here in Alabama where you CANNOT buy ANY alcohol at ANY time. We call those "dry counties."
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Sharon Stone a born-again Christian? Man...I'd love to be HER pastor!! umm, I'd love to baptize HER!!....ummm, THAT'd get ME to church on TIME!!....uh, Talk about perfect attendence, I'd be in her Sunday School class EVERY SUNDAY!!!


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