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Old 04-05-2002, 01:09 AM   #16
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now that is funny! ....and weird.
can ya explain yerself a litte? it just doesn't compute in my brain/doesn't make sense .???
(cheers to ya tho )

SURE!!!! I guess the easiest way to put is that I believe in many Christain Ideas, Strong family, morality etc., but do not believe in God. I do believe we are judged, not by God, but by ourselves. To be able to look yourself in the eye and know that you are a decent person is important. AS for thr Republican in me, I am Pro-life, with the exception of rape, incest and life of the mother, not on religious grounds, but on moral. Abortion is a form of murder, no matter how it may be spun, and should be illegal. Being sexually active carries the responsibilty of being responsible for your actions and the results of your actions. There are other reasons I can go into, but I think you kinda get the point.

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In defence of the Conservatives, I'm sure they would argue (indeed, since they would feel just as much) that there is a certain stereotype formulated in America about liberal Christians, and how they are perhaps dominating the face of Modern Christian Values; there is truth on both accusations, I feel.

I agree, popsadie, thatit must be annoying and to a greater extent, disheartening for such notions to be true and to an extent, irreconcilable, however, there are two sides to a story and the Conservative side would argue that the opposite is just as true.

I think there are stereotypes for lots if not most type of groups; there are bible-bashing Conservative Moralists, there are open-minded Conservative thinkers and there are close-minded liberals. It goes on and on, and there is only a considerable size that believes or buys into what you're saying, I say that most understand the need to compromise and to treat each and every issue separately, which is what I do. I'm a complete liberal when it comes to matters of Religion and SPirituality, and pretty left-wing politically, however, I do have some very Right Wing political views, and some right-wing notions worth applying to Social aspects. However, in Economics, I tend to be more left-wing also.

However, in overall, I consider myself a Slightly-More-to-Right-Wing Socialist.

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Old 04-05-2002, 10:11 AM   #18
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Smug arrogant (Rather, Jennings, etc.) love to knock Christianity). The only world news I watch is Fox News. But occasinaly I'll watch Jennings or Rather to see what the enemy is doing. I usually can't stomach much of either one of them. I have noticed Peter Jennings having a ball ripping into the Catholic (I'm not Catholic) Church, he even did a one hour special on it. Now the Catholic Church is 100% wrong how they've handled these pedophile cases. But Jenning is really getting into crushing the Church. If Jenning or Rather would have spent that effort reporting on Clinton's rape accusation, womanizing, pardon's for cash, illegal FBI file tampering, the list goes on and on, I would have at least a little respect for them as jornalists. But no these stories were swept under the rug by these arrogant, left wing, Clinton enablers.

All should try to read the book BIAS by Bernard Goldberg.
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how else do you define yourself without labels?

Lebels don't ever fit me, and I'm sure others are the same, but how else can you express the swirling vortex that is on the inside of a human?
The same way U2 did. By expressing yourself, and your opinions. No need for pigeon-holes.

I.E: - I do not believe in god. Please don't call me a ....???...ist. I don't need the label to express myself.

I don't believe in welfare. Don't give me a label. Agree/disagree with my opinion, sure, but the label is not necessary.

Labels are convenient, but misleading. I would hazard a guess that the majority of Republicans and Democrats do NOT support EVERY policy of their respective parties, but the label implies that they do.



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Old 04-06-2002, 03:31 AM   #21
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Labels are convenient, but misleading. I would hazard a guess that the majority of Republicans and Democrats do NOT support EVERY policy of their respective parties, but the label implies that they do.

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Exactly. I sort of liken it to being labeled a "Fan" of U2 or any other band. I am a U2 fan, that doesn't mean I like Everything song they have ever written, and the same applies to me being a Republican, I don't agree with every policy but i can agree with most of them. Does this make sense?

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Exactly. I sort of liken it to being labeled a "Fan" of U2 or any other band. I am a U2 fan, that doesn't mean I like Everything song they have ever written, and the same applies to me being a Republican, I don't agree with every policy but i can agree with most of them. Does this make sense?

It would make sense if you didn't call yourself a Republican.

I'm not a U2 fan.

U2 music is the most important (non-person) thing in my life.
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wouldn't want to "belong" to either one, Republican or Democrat, what an awful label to call oneself.
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Speaking of bias...

As for the Catholic Church (this coming from a lifelong Catholic) it deserves most of the criticism it gets. You'd be shocked about the kind of stuff the Church is hiding, and it is a very safe bet that there are protected pedophiles in every diocese worldwide, not just Boston.

In some defense of the Church, though, it is human like any other institution. You will *never* find a perfect religion, but the Church brought on a lot of this itself, having always placed itself on a pedestal above humanity and just below God. Especially with the hypocrisy of Jubilee 2000 that emphasized forgiveness, considering that the Church did a half assed job of confessing its own sins, I certainly shed no tear for it currently.

Perhaps that is a bad thing to say, especially coming from a still practicing Catholic like myself, but my faith is with the "faith," not the "institution," whom I lost nearly all respect for years ago.

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It would make sense if you didn't call yourself a Republican.
What does that mean?

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This much is true; no one is ever as open-minded as they think.

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First, I agree with Melon's opinions on the current plight of the Catholic Church. I am also a practicing Catholic.

Second, popsadie, you're not alone, especially in Oklahoma. I think the conservative Christian movement in Oklahoma are just the people who are yelling the loudest. I learned long ago that if others are going to question my motivations, so be it. I don't answer to them, but rather to myself. And there are always kindred spirits out there, even in Oklahoma.

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What does that mean?

It means she agreed with me, then labelled herself, thereby contradicting my point.
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