A diamond/PBS invitation, for the curious, openminded, and intellectuals

[BVS]

Stalin was a Marxist (Communist)

Um, no.

and I don't know too many Communists/Marxist leaders that profess a divine belief or faith in Christ.

Many would argue that Christ's teachings were very marxist like.

 

[BVS]

Some interesting Mormon related press coming soon:

http://www.septemberdawn.net/

This should be interesting. Has quite a few Mormons up in arms, so to speak.

I heard someone else talking about this just the other day, anybody know what the big controversy is?

 

[deep]

I guess there are different versions of this story.


What is the Alamo?

Just a bunch of trespassers, occupiers or insurgents getting their just desserts?

 

[coemgen]

I heard someone else talking about this just the other day, anybody know what the big controversy is?

Well, according to the PBS documentary, it was said to be Brigham Young who ordered the killings. Am I wrong?

 

[BVS]

Well, according to the PBS documentary, it was said to be Brigham Young who ordered the killings. Am I wrong?

Well I've heard the movie takes the stance that Young did order the killings, but apparently that's why so many Mormons are upset with it because their stance is he didn't. I'll be honest and say I'm not really well verse on the subject, so I'm not sure.

 

[diamond]

No Bringham Young did not order the killings, on the contrary, he tried to prevent them, there is evidence of this.

Later on he made sure the perpetuators of this event (local settlers) be brought to justice and made sure the leader of the massacare, David Lee be put to death by firing squad.

dbs

 

[martha]

Later on he made sure the perpetuators of this event (local settlers) be brought to justice and made sure the leader of the massacare, David Lee be put to death by firing squad.

dbs

And there are some who still insist that John D. Lee was a fallguy.

 

[diamond]

yadie
yadie
yadie

 

[coemgen]

No Bringham Young did not order the killings, on the contrary, he tried to prevent them, there is evidence of this.

Later on he made sure the perpetuators of this event (local settlers) be brought to justice and made sure the leader of the massacare, David Lee be put to death by firing squad.

dbs

Mormons on that documentary even said he did though. That one guy said it was sad.

And yes, David Lee Roth should be shot by a firing squad.

 

[maycocksean]

And yes, David Lee Roth should be shot by a firing squad.

More of a Sammy Hagar fan, then?

 

[coemgen]

Actually, not a Van Halen fan at all.

 

[diamond]

I don't know who was LDS or who wasn't in the PBS documentary, and thru it all in the MMM portion it's all opinon voiced by talking heads, some LDS some anti LDS.


Regardless of how the tragedy unfolded, it was a dark day in my church's history. The Church has built a memorial to the victims and issued a public apology.

I can't fathom Bringham Young ordering the slaughter of innocent human beings, and I never will. ioojiioj

One day we'll all have the answers to questions like these.

dbs

 

[maycocksean]

Actually, not a Van Halen fan at all.

Ah.

You should give 5150 a chance though. . .

Dreams, Love Walks In, Why Can't This Be Love. . .

 

[diamond]

This is why ordinary people are very uncomfortable with Evangelicals:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55642

Bill Keller slams Christians who understand God and Christ differently than him, he salms Oprah, he slams Mormons.


"If you vote for Mitt Romney, you are voting for Satan!" he writes in his daily devotional to be sent out to 2.4 million e-mail subscribers tomorrow"


"I have watched in horror over the past weeks as one evangelical Christian leader after another has either endorsed, supported, or just as bad, refused to denounce Romney's run for the White House and those Christian leaders who support him," Keller writes. "Last weekend Pat Robertson, founder of CBN and Regent University, had Romney deliver the keynote address to the graduates of Regent. Regent is one of the great Christian colleges in this nation, and Robertson allowed this cult member to deliver the commencement address. Is he out of his mind? Do you think there would ever be a true Gospel preacher giving the commencement address at Brigham Young?"

Listening to his IPOD cast I do not see or hear any Christ like attributes in his demeanor or conduct, I did see a Jimmy Swaggart type - a self promoting bible thumper with high aspirations.

Keller was a businessman convicted of insider trading in 1989, a crime for which he served more than two years in federal prison. After getting out, he received a degree in biblical studies from Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, and has been in full-time ministry ever since

Judge for yourself, it's all hear and speaks volumes-loudly for that matter.

http://www.liveprayer.com/

This fellow is a real gem.
dbs

 

[Irvine511]

Mormans vs. Evangelicals!

Live on Pay-Per-View!

 

[diamond]

Mormans vs. Evangelicals!

Live on Pay-Per-View!

It's "Mormons"

 

[A_Wanderer]

Mormans vs. Evangelicals!

Live on Pay-Per-View!

300 quatloos on the newcomer,

 

[coemgen]

What definition of Evangelicals are we using here, btw?

 

[Irvine511]

It's "Mormons"

but you, sir, are a MorMAN.

 

[Irvine511]

What definition of Evangelicals are we using here, btw?

the loud, conservative, politicized ones who Falwell/Dobson/Robertson all pretend to speak for, and who Karl Rove actively courts when he refers to "the base." generally white, rural, midwestern and southern.

 

[coemgen]

OK, thanks for clearing it up. I hate that word. Basically, if you're a Christian, you're evangelical. There's no way around it. You believe the Bible and you seek to share Christ with others.

According to your definition, "Right Wing Republican" sounds more appropriate.

 

[Vincent Vega]

I don't know about the definitions in the US (you've got too many churches ), but here in Germany the Catholics are no Evangelicals.
There are Catholics, and there are Lutheran Protestants.
Former are Catholics, and the latter are Evangelicals.

Is that different in the US?

 

[coemgen]

I would say it depends on who you talk to.

By definition, all Christians are evangelical and "born again," yet both of these titles are given to describe certain types of Christians. It's all pretty goofy, but I guess they're better than the possible alternatives.

 

[Vincent Vega]

I'm not sure if I want to understand.

 

[coemgen]

Well, the cool thing is many denominations are working together simply as Christians. The denominational lines are being blurred, which is nice. It was, after all, Christ's final prayer that the church be as one.

 

[BVS]

OK, thanks for clearing it up. I hate that word. Basically, if you're a Christian, you're evangelical. There's no way around it. You believe the Bible and you seek to share Christ with others.

Yeah it's a word that has a lot of baggage associated with it. I think the difference is there are some that lead by example and share out of humility and compassion, and then there are those that preach from a soapbox and try to cram their own message down your throat.

 

[coemgen]

This is true.

 

[diamond]

Evangelicals are the "Christians" who claim to be "born again".

They declare that all:
Jews
Muslims
Hindu
Buddists

are going to Hell, because they they're not Christian.

They claim that Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses and at one time, even Catholics weren't Christian.

They are the judgemental bible thumpers that are in your face trying to persuade you that their form of Chritianity is right and yours is wrong.

Here are some pictures I've linked to popular Evangelicals who you may recognize:
http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040923/040923_swaggart_hmed_330a.hmedium.jpg

http://sbno.illicitohio.com/heritage/otherpics/theplayers.jpg

http://www.nndb.com/people/908/000025833/FredPhelps.jpg

http://disneybear.com/wp-content/up...dtheEvangelicalMovemen_D8B4/TedHaggard[1].jpg

http://images.google.com/url?q=http...ll.jpg&usg=AFrqEzdxqzDpOHmkhnQPugPMOipNf5glXw

Plus the Evangelical that condemns Oprah and Mormons:

http://www.liveprayer.com/

All you need to do is open the link above and you'll see exactly what an Evangelical is.

Based on some of the posts of this thread you can see what Faith is more Christian than the other, Mormon or an Evangelical.

I'm glad that my Church teaches that all good people of Faith that help the their fellow man in this life can one day make it to Heaven.

We also do not condemn misguided Evangelicals who condem us, libel us, misrepresent our beliefs but are taught to forgive them.

We leave that all up to God and stay busy serving our fellowman regardless of what faith or persuassion they are.


dbs

 

[coemgen]

Yeah, sounds like you've forgiven them.

 

[coemgen]

None of those guys speak for me, btw. They've each used the faith for personal or political gain, which is disgusting.