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Old 12-10-2004, 08:36 AM   #16
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This question has me scratching my head... since we teach the basic elements of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, (sorry if I left out whatever you practice)... should we teach the basic elements of Satanism in schools?

By the way, I think that pastors, priests, and other church leaders should learn about Satanism, so they can compare it to how the world operates. For example, 666 is a symbol of falling short of the number 7 multiple times.
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in my opinion people, goths, whatever you want to call them who choose satanism only choose it to rebel against society. very few actually practice or believe it. but that's my opinion.
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Has anyone read William Blake's Marriage of Heaven and Hell? It is anti organized Christianity, but pro faith and even seems to take Satan's side. Can't remember it very well though I did write a paper on it in college for a Bible class.
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I recall we've had a girl here at FYM once (can't remember her name unfortunately) who was a Satanist and did an excellent job explaining what it was all about. I can't remember what it was exactly but it had little or nothing do to with 'evil'.
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That's because they simply believe that good is evil and evil is good.
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that's quite a paradox.
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That's because they simply believe that good is evil and evil is good.
Believe it or not, life is a little more complicated than the old Good vs. Evil debate.
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Believe it or not, life is a little more complicated than the old Good vs. Evil debate.
I agree, but I - and many others - see Satanism as a direct mockery of Christianity. Is it better to love both your friends and your enemies, or is it better just to love those who you favor?
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I agree, but I - and many others - see Satanism as a direct mockery of Christianity.
I understand, but keep in mind, there are different kinds of Satanism some of which have nothing to do with Christianity. Besides, there are different degrees of 'mocking' Christianity, I can't see that as 'evil' anymore than I can see Christianity as 'good'.
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It is very complicated to define what in our world is good, and what in our world is evil. We all have a vague concept of it - killing is wrong (but... what about all those exceptions?), stealing is wrong, lying is wrong (but who does it hurt?). Perhaps that's why we debate so much on FYM and elsewhere, we have a different set of beliefs and convictions. Sometimes we make absolutions that have no facts to support them. We probably see some things as evil - when they may actually be good. It's a very complicated world we live in, and a lot of weight is to be determined by the individual.
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Has anyone read William Blake's Marriage of Heaven and Hell? It is anti organized Christianity, but pro faith and even seems to take Satan's side. Can't remember it very well though I did write a paper on it in college for a Bible class.
That reminds me of my class on Milton...it's argued that Satan is actually the tragic hero of "Paradise Lost."
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I agree, but I - and many others - see Satanism as a direct mockery of Christianity. Is it better to love both your friends and your enemies, or is it better just to love those who you favor?
The distinctions are there, but I don't see the evil.

The problem is I think most satanist see Christianity and see hypocricy. I admit my exposure is small, but from the few I've met and spoke to they all started and were brought up in Christian homes.

They preach love your enemy yet they support death penalties, they support pre-emptive wars, they practice exclusion, etc. I honestly think it's the church's fault. I can totally see where they are coming from.
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in my opinion people, goths, whatever you want to call them who choose satanism only choose it to rebel against society. very few actually practice or believe it. but that's my opinion.

Want to know something peculiar? Most of the goths I know are Christians.
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That reminds me of my class on Milton...it's argued that Satan is actually the tragic hero of "Paradise Lost."
Well, he is by far the most interesting character
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The distinctions are there, but I don't see the evil.

The problem is I think most satanist see Christianity and see hypocricy. I admit my exposure is small, but from the few I've met and spoke to they all started and were brought up in Christian homes.

They preach love your enemy yet they support death penalties, they support pre-emptive wars, they practice exclusion, etc. I honestly think it's the church's fault. I can totally see where they are coming from.
This is interesting, I see a lot of evil though. Working (and leaving my two-week notice asap) at a fast food restaurant, I hear a lot of throwaway - so to speak. A lot of talk about making the US the first successful pure communist nation, red armies, that kind of crap. Also a lot of "kill God" talk is out there. I don't think you have to look any further than the news if you want to see evil, it clues you in to how disgusting people can be.

I bet a lot of people see Christianity is hypocracy, because there's not one person on the planet who is a good enough example of a Christian. There could be an argument for your political stances brought up, but I'd rather not lose sight of topic.
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