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Old 05-16-2005, 08:16 AM   #91
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mtoreilly,


well then i guess you will never know.

"I've only ever questioned how legitimate this book is. If I had hours of my life to waste on reading this book.."

and these 2 statements are reasons you should read.

1-to find out if the book and science are legit.
2-to find out if it were a waste or not.

then u will know if your time was wasted or not.

and only then can you make a fair judgement.

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well then i guess you will never know.
I'm sure I can live with that
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I'm sure I can live with that


hear hear, a toast to tolerence and open mindedness.

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I'm frankly surprised that someone of your intelligence has lapped this up Diamond. But I assume to be so steadfast, you have reviewed extensively, all the research into debunking this obvious pioneer in the paranormal and parapsychology fields.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Angela Harlem
I'm frankly surprised that someone of your intelligence has lapped this up Diamond. But I assume to be so steadfast, you have reviewed extensively, all the research into debunking this obvious


Angela,
Not really lapping it up. Not like a pavlov dog, just thought I'd share the information.

And 98% of the so called psychics, tarot card readers and mediums are frauds
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The real ones or legitimate psychics/mediums hate the burden they've been given.

In the book the author exposes the fradulent ones and their methods.
There are a couple of chapters devoted to fradulent mediums/psychics and their parlor tricks.

I found the book to present an interesting avenue that provides confirmation that there is something else larger than ourselves going on in the universe we all share. I thought some might find the information compelling..if they gave it a fair shake.

The irritating thing was having some ppl dimiss it out of hand.

And if they want to dismiss all psychics/mediums out of hand some crimes would have never been solved or prosecuted.

Check these for your consideration:

http://www.johnjoliver.com/policework.html
http://www.psychicvista.com/articles/PsiPoliceWork.htm

I will admit the field of mediums and psychics are polluted by 98-99% fraudulent ones, however there are some genuine ones and it's a field/science that we have barely scratched the surface of.
These are who the book is devoted to, and how he proved it.

Some have been raised to steer clear of all mediums/psychics for religous reasons, they've been raised on fear, instilled by their religous instructors.

My response is I recognize truth can come from many different sources and I'm not afraid explore all avenues of truth. No one holds a monopoly on truth. Some may think they do, but they do not. Im not afraid of truth, or where it may spring from.




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and for the record i don't visit psychics or mediums..i would rather live life as one big surprise.
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I'm frankly surprised that someone of your intelligence has lapped this up Diamond. But I assume to be so steadfast, you have reviewed extensively, all the research into debunking this obvious pioneer in the paranormal and parapsychology fields.
the conspiracy continues...

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF_NDEs.htm

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Old 09-01-2005, 11:29 PM   #97
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the conspiracy continues...

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF_NDEs.htm

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A rare Hispanic gustatory NDE; He had coffee with his grandmother.
Coffee with my grandmother was apt to cause a near death experience too!
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I have read one called Life After Life which was a study of NDE's and it was at the very least interesting, certainly not scientific. It's a pretty old book.

Anyhow, with this book I was intrigued by the post because I have yet to hear about this one.

And then I kept reading about your thoughts on Neptune and felt as if my brain matter was being sucked away. What pure and total mind blowingly complete fucking nonsense. My head ached after reading that ludicrous stretch.

So now I have no interest at all. Good job.

I kid, I kid. Silly me beleives in Pluto even, what nonsense!!!!!
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This is just more of the same.
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666. Oscar D's NDE. English expanded version 8/13/2005 was involved in a critical accident where my I had an inactive heart for 7 minutes and when I was resuscitated I went into an instant comma for 2 weeks... I saw my Grandmother who was diseased for about 2 years ..she was holding my hand assuring me everything was going to be ok.
NDE associated with accident.
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I have read one called Life After Life which was a study of NDE's and it was at the very least interesting, certainly not scientific. It's a pretty old book.

Anyhow, with this book I was intrigued by the post because I have yet to hear about this one.

And then I kept reading about your thoughts on Neptune and felt as if my brain matter was being sucked away. What pure and total mind blowingly complete fucking nonsense. My head ached after reading that ludicrous stretch.

So now I have no interest at all. Good job.

I kid, I kid. Silly me beleives in Pluto even, what nonsense!!!!!


Life after Life is a good book and ground breaking in the field of NDEs/HereAfter in which this thread is about.

I think some may have misconstrued my point on Neptune. The point was that and most of us know that Neptune exists without having seen or visited Neptune.

It's a principle of faith. I take the evidence presented and weigh it all out. It's that simple.

I think one reason we have come to earth, is to develop faith.
We all have an inkling of the Divine imbeded in our souls and depending on how we choose to live we can develop that inkling thru our faith.

Another gift given to us our free will so we can choose to develop our faith. You see our Creator isn't one to force his will on us. It's our choice on how we want our develop our faith. That our souls are eternal some souls have chosen to develop their faith quicker than others, some aren't ready yet, and yet, even some are at a phase of considering to do so.

That God is merciful and just , God isn't standing with a large stick waiting to rap us on the head. God put us here and knows the our thoughts, our circumstances and where we're at in the development of our souls.

God is the source where all Love spang from. God is extremely paitient with us. He sent his Son as the example to be followed and one day in this life or the next we will come to this knowledge.

My hope is that we all realize how much God loves and knows each of us, and that God is alot more approachable and less judgemental than a lot of us realize.

It's that simple.
I love you guys.

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Another fascinating website.
I would encourage people in search of something larger then themselves, perhaps searching for their truth or a spiritual path to look here:

http://www.near-death.com/

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I think some may have misconstrued my point on Neptune. The point was that and most of us know that Neptune exists without having seen or visited Neptune.

It's a principle of faith. I take the evidence presented and weigh it all out. It's that simple.
No, it's not.

It's checkable to anyone with an interest to do so. All you need is a decent star chart and a semi-powerful telescope and any old joe blow can go out in his or her backyard and see Neptune. It's an easily proven fact that Neptune exists, and if you are skeptical, you can take the necessary steps (rather easily even with a small amount of money - telescopes are cheap these days) to go out and prove to yourself that it exists.

That's not possible with the afterlife. I mean, short of dying, nobody is able to be absolutely sure of an afterlife. Even people who claim to have near-death experiences must be taken on faith. In many cases, NDE's have been proven to be hallucinations resulting from medications or procedures administered while the person is near death. To believe the medium is to take it on faith as well. You are believing that what they say is absolutely true. It can be just an extraordinarily huge coincidence, a total guess on personal details. It could happen.

A scientific theory is only really a theory unless it is fact checkable. The afterlife is not fact checkable. All that you can go on are statements made by people who claim to have experiences with the afterlife. It's all a matter of faith regardless. You can't mathematically or with hard, repeatable facts check the theory that there is an afterlife, and therefore it isn't a theory. It's therefore a matter of faith.

The claim that this book is scientifically supported is absolute bunk.
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The claim that this book is scientifically supported is absolute bunk.
A) You havent read the book.

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In many cases, NDE's have been proven to be hallucinations resulting from medications or procedures administered while the person is near death

B)a-
Well that's a start. You said in many cases.. So that means not all cases. There have been ppl that have been dead for hours no vital signs, the sheets thrown over their heads and on their way or being prepped for the morgue.

For some reason God allows them to come back and share with us what they saw.
Too many consistent stories that parallel eachother many of them from little children who are without guile and only tell what they saw without fear of ridicule from close minded older earhbound folks.

Dave C I would encourage to look at some of these w/an open mind.

Here's a 10 year boys account:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/animals04.html

Some adults:



http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html
http://www.near-death.com/dougherty.html
http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/93.html

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